Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Wizard Sleep CSR Ruling
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4638189" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Let's work it out then:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, clearly an encounter power and not an always-on power. Requires wisdom be high, so I call BS on the "usually -4 to -9". The combo already requires spell focus, which requires charisma, and all powers require intelligence (you still have to hit), and a lot depends on constitution as well (you still need to live). So, you already start with a trade off somewhere to even make use of this encounter power.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, this will work fine. Expensive for a rarely used trick, but it works.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now we have sacrificed the opportunity cost of another Paragon path, and either a feat for weapon proficiency or the opportunity cost of having to choose Eladrin for race...which gets a boost to Int (which is good) and Dex (which is entirely useless for this build).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, it's a daily, and as stated it is not compatible with the Spiral Tower trick.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Works, but again requires Charisma, for a combo that is taking up to a Wisdom of 28 and all powers based off of Intelligence, boost to Dex, and need for Con?</p><p></p><p>It's a great combo for once/day, and good vs. will in general that also requires a save for ongoing effects. But it sacrifices a lot, and will be pretty sucky for non-save spells and non-will targeting spells...which will be often. Plus, you will be a glass cannon, having low hit points even for a wizard, and probably a low AC since you could not afford to focus much on magic armor with all those expensive trick-focused items.</p><p></p><p>It's really not that bad...but out of context pretending that all your wizard does is fight solos with weak will defenses will tend to exaggerate it's reliability. There is a good reason very few people would choose this route, and that is because it's mostly a one-trick pony that looks good on paper only.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 4638189, member: 2525"] Let's work it out then: Right, clearly an encounter power and not an always-on power. Requires wisdom be high, so I call BS on the "usually -4 to -9". The combo already requires spell focus, which requires charisma, and all powers require intelligence (you still have to hit), and a lot depends on constitution as well (you still need to live). So, you already start with a trade off somewhere to even make use of this encounter power. Yes, this will work fine. Expensive for a rarely used trick, but it works. Now we have sacrificed the opportunity cost of another Paragon path, and either a feat for weapon proficiency or the opportunity cost of having to choose Eladrin for race...which gets a boost to Int (which is good) and Dex (which is entirely useless for this build). Right, it's a daily, and as stated it is not compatible with the Spiral Tower trick. Works, but again requires Charisma, for a combo that is taking up to a Wisdom of 28 and all powers based off of Intelligence, boost to Dex, and need for Con? It's a great combo for once/day, and good vs. will in general that also requires a save for ongoing effects. But it sacrifices a lot, and will be pretty sucky for non-save spells and non-will targeting spells...which will be often. Plus, you will be a glass cannon, having low hit points even for a wizard, and probably a low AC since you could not afford to focus much on magic armor with all those expensive trick-focused items. It's really not that bad...but out of context pretending that all your wizard does is fight solos with weak will defenses will tend to exaggerate it's reliability. There is a good reason very few people would choose this route, and that is because it's mostly a one-trick pony that looks good on paper only. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Wizard Sleep CSR Ruling
Top