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<blockquote data-quote="ZappoHisbane" data-source="post: 4082579" data-attributes="member: 56292">Wow.&nbsp; I think what shocks me the most is how FEW spells there really seem to be.&nbsp; I realize that there will be rituals added on to this (presumably gained at levels 11, 12 and/or 14), but the fact that it only takes 2 pages to show (most of?) the spells available from levels 10-16?In 3.5, going from 11th to 16th level would expose you to spell levels 6-8.&nbsp; 6th level ALONE had 42 new spells to choose from (as per the SRD).&nbsp; Many of these are certainly rituals (Planar Binding, Legend Lore, etc), and many will have been left out of 4e entirely (as per previous statements about enchantment/illusion, save or die, etc).&nbsp; Nevertheless, that's still a crapload of choice that seems to have been removed here.As the OP noted, there may be more 10th level spells on previous pages that we don't see, likewise for 16th level spells on following pages.&nbsp; What we can see however is that there are only 4 13th level spells to choose from.&nbsp; That just seems... weak.This is the first info seen about 4e that has actually dampened my enthusiasm somewhat.&nbsp; Hmmph.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZappoHisbane, post: 4082579, member: 56292"] Wow. I think what shocks me the most is how FEW spells there really seem to be. I realize that there will be rituals added on to this (presumably gained at levels 11, 12 and/or 14), but the fact that it only takes 2 pages to show (most of?) the spells available from levels 10-16? In 3.5, going from 11th to 16th level would expose you to spell levels 6-8. 6th level ALONE had 42 new spells to choose from (as per the SRD). Many of these are certainly rituals (Planar Binding, Legend Lore, etc), and many will have been left out of 4e entirely (as per previous statements about enchantment/illusion, save or die, etc). Nevertheless, that's still a crapload of choice that seems to have been removed here. As the OP noted, there may be more 10th level spells on previous pages that we don't see, likewise for 16th level spells on following pages. What we can see however is that there are only [B]4[/B] 13th level spells to choose from. That just seems... weak. This is the first info seen about 4e that has actually dampened my enthusiasm somewhat. Hmmph. [/QUOTE]

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