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<blockquote data-quote="IceFractal" data-source="post: 4083527" data-attributes="member: 27704">And the other thing that bothers me - if it takes 16th level to get five minutes of flight, what level do you have to be to actually get overland travelling flight?&nbsp; 30th?I can see people wanting to delay flight a bit from 3E standards, but come on - if you're a Paragon-tier character, fighting literally armies of evil, and by 16th level, heading toward Epic - you should be able to fly over a damn swamp.&nbsp; You should be able to fly over as many swamps as you like.&nbsp; Save trekking through the mud for the Heroic tier characters.Because reaching those high levels has no point if nothing changes except your stat bonuses and damage numbers.&nbsp; If you can never grow and be able to easily bypass what used to be insurmountable challenges - not just monsters - then why bother?Well, the spell isn't all that great in a dungeon either.&nbsp; Unless the rooms are quite large (with high ceilings), you won't get that much more manueverability out of it, and it doesn't last long enough to fly around avoiding floor traps.&nbsp; And in combat, the minor action necessary to sustain it is a significant hinderance, preventing you from sustaining any other spells.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceFractal, post: 4083527, member: 27704"] And the other thing that bothers me - if it takes 16th level to get five minutes of flight, what level do you have to be to actually get overland travelling flight? 30th? I can see people wanting to delay flight a bit from 3E standards, but come on - if you're a Paragon-tier character, fighting literally armies of evil, and by 16th level, heading toward Epic - you should be able to fly over a damn swamp. You should be able to fly over as many swamps as you like. Save trekking through the mud for the Heroic tier characters. Because reaching those high levels has no point if nothing changes except your stat bonuses and damage numbers. If you can never grow and be able to easily bypass what used to be insurmountable challenges - not just monsters - then why bother? Well, the spell isn't all that great in a dungeon either. Unless the rooms are quite large (with high ceilings), you won't get that much more manueverability out of it, and it doesn't last long enough to fly around avoiding floor traps. And in combat, the minor action necessary to sustain it is a significant hinderance, preventing you from sustaining any other spells. [/QUOTE]

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