Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
NOW LIVE! Today's the day you meet your new best friend. You don’t have to leave Wolfy behind... In 'Pets & Sidekicks' your companions level up with you!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Wizard vs Fighter - the math
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 9163638" data-attributes="member: 72555"><p>Sure, but the ratio in terms of damage is not that large.</p><p></p><p>And it really isn't hard for a DM to compensate for caster supremacy.</p><p></p><p>Give a spellcaster a staff of power. Awesome item.</p><p></p><p>Give a martial the thunderblade. Sword grants the ability to fly at 60' speed, +2 attack and damage, adds +3d6 lighting damage, grants lightning and thunder resistance. As a reaction to someone else dealing lightning damage to someone within 60' can redirect it to a new target as a ranged weapon attack.</p><p></p><p>And this isn't theoretical. I've seen DMs hand out rather insanely good magical weapons, and (in comparison) relatively tame tools for spellcasters (well not that exact sword, but rough equivalents).</p><p></p><p>5e flattens a lot of the insane things 3e spellcasters could do. 5e spellcasters can still do pretty great things, but many of them require specific reading of specific spells that (if abused) a DM can easily rule away, unlike 3e where if you ruled out one broken combo another 200 waited in the wings.</p><p></p><p>And in playing with actual people, I've seen both martials and spellcasters dominate combat. The specific builds seem to matter more than the class. Probably the optimization ceiling for spellcasters is much higher, but that only matters if people are optimizing for it.</p><p></p><p>Mostly it has been played with 1-4 encounters per day, with 0-3 short rests.</p><p></p><p>And mostly, the "I pull out big guns" from spellcasters has seemed impressive, and "I kill things fast" from damage oriented martials has seemed impressive. Sometimes a poorly optimized PC was lackluster; but honestly, that was a Ranger/Monk/Rogue/Artificer, as those 4 classes seem to be a bit lackluster.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 9163638, member: 72555"] Sure, but the ratio in terms of damage is not that large. And it really isn't hard for a DM to compensate for caster supremacy. Give a spellcaster a staff of power. Awesome item. Give a martial the thunderblade. Sword grants the ability to fly at 60' speed, +2 attack and damage, adds +3d6 lighting damage, grants lightning and thunder resistance. As a reaction to someone else dealing lightning damage to someone within 60' can redirect it to a new target as a ranged weapon attack. And this isn't theoretical. I've seen DMs hand out rather insanely good magical weapons, and (in comparison) relatively tame tools for spellcasters (well not that exact sword, but rough equivalents). 5e flattens a lot of the insane things 3e spellcasters could do. 5e spellcasters can still do pretty great things, but many of them require specific reading of specific spells that (if abused) a DM can easily rule away, unlike 3e where if you ruled out one broken combo another 200 waited in the wings. And in playing with actual people, I've seen both martials and spellcasters dominate combat. The specific builds seem to matter more than the class. Probably the optimization ceiling for spellcasters is much higher, but that only matters if people are optimizing for it. Mostly it has been played with 1-4 encounters per day, with 0-3 short rests. And mostly, the "I pull out big guns" from spellcasters has seemed impressive, and "I kill things fast" from damage oriented martials has seemed impressive. Sometimes a poorly optimized PC was lackluster; but honestly, that was a Ranger/Monk/Rogue/Artificer, as those 4 classes seem to be a bit lackluster. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Wizard vs Fighter - the math
Top