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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 9164328" data-attributes="member: 2629">If you want to optimize the wizard without optimizing the fighter, you can bias your results  - but there are also higher contingencies on the wizard in the form of things like concentration, generally.  Yes, the 'nuke wizard' as you describe can (around level 14) deal some real damage - but your 159.5 without an attack roll versus the 200+ damage of the fighter with rolls they're likely to hit.... I might take the AC against a truly epic AC, but against a low to mid 20s AC?  Fighter.I've played in a lot of games with a lot of DMs.  The damage based fighters shine fine and do end up lackluster next to a wizard.  Arguing with me that it is impossible to see what I've seen over and over - by folks that have played this game for decades - and were some of the authors of well received optimization guides back in the day - is kind of a joke. And as for the other suggestions that rely upon concentration, like Animate Objects - how many times have you seen the Wizard lose concetration before the Animated Objects get to go in initiative?  Or are you just assuming they get tpo go right after the wizard?  How many times does that army of arrows get eliminated by an area attack before they go?  You have to consider those potentials as well when affirming how overpowered the spell option theoretically is.I'm not going to debate the back and forth what ifs because they're irrelevant.  I've seen very effective players run very powerful fighters that did not lack against the well run wizards in those games - at all levels.  From my perspective, everything else being thrown around here is a waste of breath.</blockquote>

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