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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9165451" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>I remember playing one of the old gold box D&D video games, maybe Pool of Radiance? Not sure. In any case, the game had a "Rest until healed" button that you could click, basically the party would rest overnight the cleric would heal everyone in the morning and then rest again. Rinse and repeat until everyone was full. I abused the heck out of that button, even using it when I was in a collapsing tower. Yeah, I had to hit it a few times because my rest was interrupted by falling rocks, but it was just a click of a button.</p><p></p><p>It worked because as a video game, everything outside of the currently triggered area was static. So 5MWD was absolutely an issue back then and I abused it when I could. When playing a real game? Not typically an option, but after pretty much every fight with casters would want to take a break to recover if given the option. It's an issue as old as the game.</p><p></p><p>As far as "go play another game" I don't know what to say. My primary advice is to alter the DM's style and I gave my thoughts on the example that to [USER=6925338]@soviet[/USER] a while back. I think the issue can be addressed. If you aren't willing to do that, there are still plenty of other options like gritty rest rules or play 4E or introduce what will amount to a rewrite of the system. The last resort is play a different game because at a certain point if you don't want to change anything and the game doesn't work for you I don't know what else to say. The game is not going to be completely rewritten. You can accept that or not, but repeatedly posting about how the game doesn't work on a forum changes nothing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9165451, member: 6801845"] I remember playing one of the old gold box D&D video games, maybe Pool of Radiance? Not sure. In any case, the game had a "Rest until healed" button that you could click, basically the party would rest overnight the cleric would heal everyone in the morning and then rest again. Rinse and repeat until everyone was full. I abused the heck out of that button, even using it when I was in a collapsing tower. Yeah, I had to hit it a few times because my rest was interrupted by falling rocks, but it was just a click of a button. It worked because as a video game, everything outside of the currently triggered area was static. So 5MWD was absolutely an issue back then and I abused it when I could. When playing a real game? Not typically an option, but after pretty much every fight with casters would want to take a break to recover if given the option. It's an issue as old as the game. As far as "go play another game" I don't know what to say. My primary advice is to alter the DM's style and I gave my thoughts on the example that to [USER=6925338]@soviet[/USER] a while back. I think the issue can be addressed. If you aren't willing to do that, there are still plenty of other options like gritty rest rules or play 4E or introduce what will amount to a rewrite of the system. The last resort is play a different game because at a certain point if you don't want to change anything and the game doesn't work for you I don't know what else to say. The game is not going to be completely rewritten. You can accept that or not, but repeatedly posting about how the game doesn't work on a forum changes nothing. [/QUOTE]
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