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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9167044" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Exactly.</p><p></p><p>And before anyone jumps on this, we could already see the writing on the wall back in Tasha's.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">New subclasses almost always tied their mechanics to PB/long, not 1/short or 2/short etc.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Alternative takes on existing options had been floated for a while.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Explicit statements from Crawford told us that Warlocks were falling behind other classes because they weren't getting enough short rests.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rangers had been controversial from the beginning, and subclass fixes only made up part of the difference.</li> </ul><p>Now that we have had an actual playtest for quite a while, we can easily see these goals, particularly the "fix the rest dependency issue," are in full force. Further, classes like Fighter, Ranger, and Warlock are getting buffs, and subclasses like Beast Master, Champion, and Berserker are having their flaws addressed.</p><p></p><p>I don't always care for the solutions they're using (shock and horror, me disagreeing with decisions made by WotC?!), but they clearly have taken a concrete stand on these and other issues.</p><p></p><p>If folks haven't seen problems themselves, cool, that honestly is a great thing for you. But WotC themselves inarguably recognize there are significant problems here that need fixing. The fact some people didn't encounter those problems or did but addressed them on their own does not mean the problems aren't there, nor that WotC shouldn't do anything about them.</p><p></p><p>Of course, it's still pretty frustrating to have called out many of these problems for a decade or more, on top of having been told for so long that no these things couldn't possibly be problems. But can we please just put to rest the argument that there simply isn't a problem? Because at this point WotC explicitly and officially agrees there are problems here, on these specific issues. The Champion is widely-played <em>but unpopular,</em> disliked by almost half of players! That alone is proof enough that there are issues here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9167044, member: 6790260"] Exactly. And before anyone jumps on this, we could already see the writing on the wall back in Tasha's. [LIST] [*]New subclasses almost always tied their mechanics to PB/long, not 1/short or 2/short etc. [*]Alternative takes on existing options had been floated for a while. [*]Explicit statements from Crawford told us that Warlocks were falling behind other classes because they weren't getting enough short rests. [*]Rangers had been controversial from the beginning, and subclass fixes only made up part of the difference. [/LIST] Now that we have had an actual playtest for quite a while, we can easily see these goals, particularly the "fix the rest dependency issue," are in full force. Further, classes like Fighter, Ranger, and Warlock are getting buffs, and subclasses like Beast Master, Champion, and Berserker are having their flaws addressed. I don't always care for the solutions they're using (shock and horror, me disagreeing with decisions made by WotC?!), but they clearly have taken a concrete stand on these and other issues. If folks haven't seen problems themselves, cool, that honestly is a great thing for you. But WotC themselves inarguably recognize there are significant problems here that need fixing. The fact some people didn't encounter those problems or did but addressed them on their own does not mean the problems aren't there, nor that WotC shouldn't do anything about them. Of course, it's still pretty frustrating to have called out many of these problems for a decade or more, on top of having been told for so long that no these things couldn't possibly be problems. But can we please just put to rest the argument that there simply isn't a problem? Because at this point WotC explicitly and officially agrees there are problems here, on these specific issues. The Champion is widely-played [I]but unpopular,[/I] disliked by almost half of players! That alone is proof enough that there are issues here. [/QUOTE]
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