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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 9169647" data-attributes="member: 6901101">I will gladly accept this position if you add: &quot;At the table I play at...&quot; in front of it. I will add the same to my comments. I agree. I stated so earlier. And back to, &quot;At my table...&quot; Are you suggesting the game does not deliver on this point. That the entire DM community of thousands upon thousands upon thousands, views that the game does not deliver this balance? That those 60,000 people at GenCon all left thinking: &quot;Man, I can't believe that every D&amp;D game a played at was imbalanced. If only I hung out in the PF room, which was balanced?&quot;For fear of opening a can of worms, name a TTRPG you consider balanced? &quot;At my table, during combat, the fighter is cast in a worse and worse light.&quot;I played last night. We're level nine. I am playing a fighter, and I don't even have a 20 strength. Three hungry wyverns attacked our ship. We were all super rested. Guess, out of the five PCs, who did the most damage? If you guessed the fighter, you'd be correct. Grabbed it by the talon as it tried to pick me up and carry me away. Then stabbed it through the belly three times. Then, not being able to get out of the way in time, it fell on me. Guess, out of the five PCs who did another cool thing? Our ranger managed to shoot one down from the crow's nest as he slid down the mast. Guess who else did something cool? Our warlock grabbed one that was flying away with a Bigby's hand! Crushed it and made it shark chum. Our cleric got their slams in, and our bard stayed below deck pew-pewing and blessing what they could see while staying safe. One battle. The next one will probably be different. And the one after that will be different. The point is, a simple starting point is not a good starting point to make a debate. It's like going to the grocery store, looking at the price of one item, and suddenly declaring it the most or least expensive grocery store in the area. No one would listen to an argument with this premise, which is why no one should be using this as a basis for an argument when it comes to the fighter vs wizard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scott Christian, post: 9169647, member: 6901101"] I will gladly accept this position if you add: "At the table I play at..." in front of it. I will add the same to my comments. I agree. I stated so earlier. And back to, "At my table..." Are you suggesting the game does not deliver on this point. That the entire DM community of thousands upon thousands upon thousands, views that the game does not deliver this balance? That those 60,000 people at GenCon all left thinking: "Man, I can't believe that every D&D game a played at was imbalanced. If only I hung out in the PF room, which was balanced?" For fear of opening a can of worms, name a TTRPG you consider balanced? "At my table, during combat, the fighter is cast in a worse and worse light." I played last night. We're level nine. I am playing a fighter, and I don't even have a 20 strength. Three hungry wyverns attacked our ship. We were all super rested. Guess, out of the five PCs, who did the most damage? If you guessed the fighter, you'd be correct. Grabbed it by the talon as it tried to pick me up and carry me away. Then stabbed it through the belly three times. Then, not being able to get out of the way in time, it fell on me. Guess, out of the five PCs who did another cool thing? Our ranger managed to shoot one down from the crow's nest as he slid down the mast. Guess who else did something cool? Our warlock grabbed one that was flying away with a Bigby's hand! Crushed it and made it shark chum. Our cleric got their slams in, and our bard stayed below deck pew-pewing and blessing what they could see while staying safe. One battle. The next one will probably be different. And the one after that will be different. The point is, a simple starting point is not a good starting point to make a debate. It's like going to the grocery store, looking at the price of one item, and suddenly declaring it the most or least expensive grocery store in the area. No one would listen to an argument with this premise, which is why no one should be using this as a basis for an argument when it comes to the fighter vs wizard. [/QUOTE]

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