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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 9169653" data-attributes="member: 996">The facts make it factual.&nbsp; The classes are right there in the books, in black and white.&nbsp; They are susceptible to objective, quantitative analysis - this thread was started by a simple example of that (which had been done shortly after 5e launched, too).&nbsp; &nbsp;You can have subjective opinions about class imbalance - you can find it highly desirable (afterall, Gandalf was a Wizard and far more powerful than the rest of the Fellowship, why shouldn't the casters be far better than the non-casters?) or irrelevant to your enjoyment of the game.&nbsp; You can even make it worse or better in play - from the player side via optimization, as well as from the DM side.&nbsp; So, sure, some groups can compensate for imbalance, or just not complain about it, and boom, you have an anecdote that there's &quot;no class imbalance&quot; that is at odds with the facts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 9169653, member: 996"] The facts make it factual. The classes are right there in the books, in black and white. They are susceptible to objective, quantitative analysis - this thread was started by a simple example of that (which had been done shortly after 5e launched, too). You can have subjective opinions about class imbalance - you can find it highly desirable (afterall, Gandalf was a Wizard and far more powerful than the rest of the Fellowship, why shouldn't the casters be far better than the non-casters?) or irrelevant to your enjoyment of the game. You can even make it worse or better in play - from the player side via optimization, as well as from the DM side. So, sure, some groups can compensate for imbalance, or just not complain about it, and boom, you have an anecdote that there's "no class imbalance" that is at odds with the facts. [/QUOTE]

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