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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9175569" data-attributes="member: 6801845">So I should have been more specific - the problem you have seems to be modern implementations of D&D.  Sounds like you want to play an OSR version of the game.  There's not a lot that can be done about that, we're never going back to TSR D&D.Personally?  I'm glad wizards no longer have the issues with having 2 HP at first level only to grow to godlike power at high levels.  It never worked very well for us back in the day.  The "linear fighter quadratic wizard" issue was always a topic of conversation pre-4E, I simply don't have those conversations any more.  Well, not with games I actually play anyway.As far as other specifics:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When it comes to wizard HP I never have an issue with doing too little damage. Focusing fire on the caster now and then has always worked for me. The DM has infinite dragons after all.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A lot of the other issues don't seem to be an issue with the system but an issue with the 5 MWD which, again, has pretty always been an issue in all versions of D&D.  In 4E it just shifted from casters calling for a 5 MWD to all classes wanting it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I've never seen wizards loading up on armor but if it's an issue for you I'd recommend enforcing encumbrance or just ban it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Were spells really interrupted all that often in your old-school games?  I don't remember it coming up often.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Same with limits on stats and the related issues you see.  Not surprising we played differently back in the day of course, there wasn't exactly a lot of consistency.  I guess I don't see a lot of value in limiting what players can build because they didn't roll sky-high stats when the PC was generated.  Especially when it takes hundreds of hours of play to get to the point where it matters.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cantrips are weak compared to what other classes can do.  Fighter just did 30 points of damage? Woohoo I did 5 whole points with my cantrip if I roll good.  Super overpowered.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Only wizards are automatically ritual casters.  I don't know of any rituals that are particularly game breaking.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizards can only use arcane recovery once per long rest.  I have considered banning multi-classed warlocks, other than that I'm not sure what the issue is with recovering spells on a short rest.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Learning a spell from a scroll is not cheap and I don't give PCs a ton of gold.  It's also simple to not include scrolls as treasure.  Some DMs limit the supply of the "special inks and paper" required to scribe a scroll.</li> </ul>But if you want to play an old school version of D&D then modern versions of D&D are the issue and there's not a lot that can be done.  The game we have, the game we're going to have for the foreseeable future, just isn't a good fit for you if you are unwilling to alter your style of play to alter your experience.</blockquote>

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