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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2668870" data-attributes="member: 307">The higher point buy is to the monk's advantage right there. That's part of the problem - most characters aren't built on that many points.Did you miss the terms of the debate? "Core rules only". A greater rod of sudden quicken is core. A home-brewed antimagic field is not. You can forget all of your house rules about what you would and would not allow - they are inapplicable.And more to the point, all you prove by bringing them up is that, once again, when someone talks about something that varies from most people's experience, that their opinion really stems from a series of house rules that they have adopted that have changed the baseline assumed by the game.But they keep you occupied, which is the point. And a greater air elemental's unmodified attack bonus is +23. Four of them slamming you twice per round will hit your 37 AC 2.4 times per round, for an average of 14 points of damage per hit, or 33.6 points of damage per round. Throw in a couple of attack spells to target you, and your monk is hurting.Against which, you have no means of retaliating. You're in a dimension locked forcecage remember? He only has to reel off a couple of those, a couple of horrid wiltings, even a series of magic missiles and you aren't doing much of anything any more.You are forgetting things like luckstones, pale green ioun stones, and so on. Just those two items added reduce the chance of failure to 40%. But then again, what you are saying here isn't that different from what I said in the beginning: the monk has to get on the wizard off the bat to win. Given that most wizard's will likely have a +8 or +9 initiative bonus (Improved Initiative plus high Dexterity), winning initiative isn't such a gimme for the monk. Even then, given that most wizard's will have a moment of prescience active at the outset of combat, your monk may not have a very good chance of hitting with his initial swipe. And if the monk doesn't get the wizard off the bat, the monk is almost certainly dead. The wizard just has too many options to lock down and destroy the monk.I don't need to know. If I win initative, I lock him down in the first round and finish him off however I want. If I lose Initiative, I know what he's going to do - because he does it. Then I react once he's committed.</blockquote>

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