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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 2669474" data-attributes="member: 12680">Very interesting thread.Just a few points:  We have already discussed many sets of spells that the wizard will have prepared.  Yet he can't have all of them prepared without scrolls... and I hope we reduced his wealth by the appropriate amount.  If he created them, then maybe the wizard should still be at level 19 after using up XP.Another thing... I find it odd that a wizard would have several spells with expensive material components without casting any of them before the encounter with the monk.  We should probably cut down on the wizard's wealth a little bit more if we assume he has had practice in casting them on his journey to level 20.Anyway, I think that we have demonstrated that the wizard can easily win if he knows what preparations the monk has made.  The monk has disintigrate?  Let's not waste a round with forcecage.  The monk can fly?  Let's not worry about casting fly.  The monk has protection from good (and ignores summoned creatures)?  Let's not summon any monsters.  Etc.  The problem is that the wizard excels most when he can study his opponent.  If he can't, it is much tougher.Now if a monk was told exactly what the wizard had prepared before the fight, then it wouldn't be too hard to find ways to counter them.  The problem is that neither side supposedly knows.  The wizard does have an advantage because he can be more flexible with less money.  The monk has to invest his wealth in completely different items in order to use different tactics.Another thing.  We are assuming 3.0?  If we want to allow the more powerful 3.0 version of several spells, while we use the less powerful 3.0 monk... why even do the contest?  I guess that a level 20 monk is about the same in either version, but in 3.0 very few monks would live long enough to reach level 20.Those are my two cents.  I think that it was all summed up well by the person who posted his results from actually performing the battles in 4 different arenas.  I am also impressed by some of the different ideas presented like the monk with fireballs and the monk with the water elementals.  If I were the wizard, I would be caught completely by surprise.</blockquote>

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