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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bryan898" data-source="post: 2670085" data-attributes="member: 9085">IME actually most characters are built on that many points.  IIRC there was a poll a while back on ENworld and most groups used 32 point buy.  The higher point buy is in no way to the monk's advantage, because the wizard also gains the higher point buy.  It's not like the monk gets extra points.How exactly does the Wizard get 4 greater air elementals, and what is the monk doing while this happens?  Not too mention only a dumb monk would focus on the air elementals instead of going after the wizard.No I understood perfectly the rules of the debate.  There are core rules for creating items that aren't specifically in the magical items section of the DMG.  It's on page 285 of the DMG.  Making an item that could use Antimagic field is core by the rules.I tire of the resort to forcecage arguement.  Here's an idea, the monk buys 3-5 rod's of cancellation for 11,000 each... no more forcecages.  So now what ya gonna do? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />True, but the monk could have diverted more points into his Wis, or taken the feat Ability Focus (Quiverring Palm) to add +2 to the DC.  Ability Focus is Core btw, and is found in the back of the MM.  They are listed as typically only being used by monsters, not exclusively.  The fact that Awesome Blow is listed as a possible Fighter bonus feat and the recent statement by WotC that the monk may take Improved Natural Attack further cement this statement.  The monk could easily improve the DC of Quiverring Palm to 33.Yeah, but if the wizard doesn't get the monk off the bat he's almost certainly dead as well.  Also, the only real viable way I've seen to lock down the monk is to rely on forcecage, and I've provided a simple solution above.</blockquote>

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