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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9827692" data-attributes="member: 6795602">And when you factor in some of those being rituals, it's very possible the wizard has even fewer non-ritual spells known than the sorcerer.  And even if only a few rituals are taken it makes the gap nearly nonexistent.  It only takes knowing 4 rituals by level 5 for the Wizard to not know any more spells known than the sorcerer.  It's the same reason I don't counter points about Arcane Surge countered with points about Font of Magic for the Sorcerer.  When there's a single resource pool it's typically best to focus on the better use cases for that ability.  I believe the better use case for a number of the Wizards limited spells known is rituals, just like i believe metamagic is the better use case for sorcery points and it's why I didn't even mention font of magic in the OP analysis.Sure, and I've agreed multiple times now that by t4 and maybe mid t3 the wizard has pulled ahead.  A key premise of my OP was again that the levels you are comparing at matters.  But, knowing more spells is such a minor thing since at that point because I believe that t4 wizards are typically better than t4 sorcerers, due to the much better t3 and t4 spell list alone.  I'd just add points about t4 wizards don't counter points about level 1-10 wizards.Right, when do you think knowing more spells of itself matters more than having more spells prepared?</blockquote>