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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 7362677" data-attributes="member: 6689464">If you really can, personally I cannot stomach the wizard fluff and I've never been able to ignore the mechanics in order to get the kind of characters I like to play. In no edition ever. The 5e wizard is less limiting than previous versions but that somehow makes it even worse of a fit, the worst part is that it dragged down the sorcerer with it. But yeah, there is a lot of stuff I don't like about the wizard, I cannot really stand it on principle. I can tolerate it, but I'd rather stopped playing altogether than play one. My problems with it are many, one, it feels like someone else's power fantasy, do you know how many times I've ever thought about how cool it would be to waste my childhood and teenage years studying in order to break the laws of the universe and use them to go on yet more studying? exactly, zero times, never ever.  Also as both an educator and a current student of the hard sciences I don't really appreciate the association with real life science, they aren't actually that related and I think that anything that misrepresents how actual science works makes more harm than good considering how many young people go out of their way to avoid math. The class also feels too limited in background and personality type, it isn't as straight forward as you'd think for a purported "generic" spellcaster. It feels too plutocratic/aristocratic/bourgeois/undemocratic etc as it is connected with wealth and power by need, that or jump through hoops, that somehow end up with an even worse "look how special I am" outlook. (Contrast with "it just happened I was (un)lucky enough to have this", the ability to come from anywhere, anyplace regardless of circumstances)Another thing that has made the class sour on me is the personalities it invites. Somehow being a very smart character is carte blanche to metagame, powergame, optimize and overall being quite disruptive, even jerkish at the table. And that is just the tip of the iceberg (like maybe real world magic doesn't work that way)Yes, ironically the sorcerer somehow gets worse with every passing edition. Though Divine Soul solves a lot of stuff, not all of the stuff though, but is quite playable and finally gives the sorcerer something wizards cannot do or copy.</blockquote>

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