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<blockquote data-quote="NerfedWizard" data-source="post: 4573716" data-attributes="member: 68865"><p><strong>My obstinate friend's stubborn reply</strong></p><p></p><p>Did you believe me when I said he was obstinate and stubborn? If not, you will now!!!</p><p> </p><p>His reply to me via e-mail was:-</p><p> </p><p>> Matt i read all the threads and you lose mate, </p><p>> here is why, pass this on to your thread buddies.</p><p> </p><p>> ( First of all i am the DM and have been playing </p><p>> for over 30 years, </p><p> </p><p>This is partly true. The debate has arisen in the</p><p>context of him writing a game for him to DM. I </p><p>also referee games for our group (AD&D 1st edition</p><p>and Omnifray) and currently a 3rd member of the</p><p>group is reffing AD&D 1st edition and has refereed</p><p>other games. The 3 of us are the group's referees,</p><p>in a group currently of about 5.</p><p> </p><p>> so i guess i am a Greybeard, i have played </p><p>> Basic, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 3.5 Editions, </p><p> </p><p>Me too - if I am somewhat younger than old</p><p>Greybeard as we shall now call him!</p><p> </p><p>> we are not and never will play 4th Ed i am sure. </p><p> </p><p>I hope he's right...</p><p> </p><p>> Matt being Matt para-phrased </p><p>> our argument missing out some </p><p>> important bits I DID mention armours </p><p>> effects on Somatic gestures during spellcasting, </p><p> </p><p>I've already clarified that, nice to see he was reading</p><p>the threads carefully</p><p> </p><p>> and wizards tend to spend more time in the </p><p>> library than learning weapons and training </p><p>> in armours, </p><p> </p><p>That's just one more unnecessary assumption</p><p>to add to the pile. What if wizardry depends on</p><p>a small amount of book learning, but lots of talent?</p><p>And what about characters who are part-time </p><p>warriors and part-time wizards - can't they wear</p><p>armour and cast spells?</p><p> </p><p>> i was willing to accept Sorcerers and </p><p>> self taught Mages could wear None-metallic </p><p>> armour including Mithril Shirt and Elfin Chain </p><p>> mail as they are light and have no iron, </p><p> </p><p>Irrelevant, really. The point is that I don't see</p><p>why some arcane spellcasters shouldn't wear</p><p>full plate.</p><p> </p><p>> it is the magnetic effects that in the DM`s </p><p>> opinion can have an adverse effect on </p><p>> arcane spellcasting as well as the other points.</p><p> </p><p>MAGNETIC??? Do I hear you correctly??? So is magic</p><p>part of the laws of modern physics now??? What a</p><p>load of complete bunkum.</p><p></p><p>And finally the relevant bit:-</p><p> </p><p>> Sparhawk is a Paladin, it actually says in </p><p>> dialogue with Sephrenia that Styrics </p><p>> cannot wear armour as it interferes </p><p>> with their spellcasting.</p><p></p><p>?</p><p> </p><p>> Garion is not a wizard like Belgarath and </p><p>> Polgara you never see them in armour.</p><p></p><p>BULLCR**!!! I have read the Belgariad and</p><p>distinctly remember Garion being a fearsome</p><p>wizard.</p><p> </p><p>> Darth Vader is an Anti-Paladin(Blackgaurd).</p><p></p><p>No, strictly he is in Omnifray terms a mystic,</p><p>and in D&D terms not exactly a psionic, but</p><p>pretty close to being one.</p><p> </p><p>> Thulsa Doom is a Cleric of Set.</p><p></p><p>?</p><p> </p><p>> WFRP Wizards cannot wear armour at all either.</p><p></p><p>Is that right?</p><p> </p><p>> I don`t count Amber as its not an RPG </p><p>> as it has no dice its just a Storygame.</p><p></p><p>Please, please rip him to bits on this!!!</p><p></p><p>And then he made some smart comment about</p><p>the guy that called him a douche, and how he</p><p>(Greybeard) is 6'5" and can cast teleport. But</p><p>don't worry, he gets a spell failure chance because</p><p>his wristwatch has 5 grams of metal in it.</p><p> </p><p>;-)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NerfedWizard, post: 4573716, member: 68865"] [b]My obstinate friend's stubborn reply[/b] Did you believe me when I said he was obstinate and stubborn? If not, you will now!!! His reply to me via e-mail was:- > Matt i read all the threads and you lose mate, > here is why, pass this on to your thread buddies. > ( First of all i am the DM and have been playing > for over 30 years, This is partly true. The debate has arisen in the context of him writing a game for him to DM. I also referee games for our group (AD&D 1st edition and Omnifray) and currently a 3rd member of the group is reffing AD&D 1st edition and has refereed other games. The 3 of us are the group's referees, in a group currently of about 5. > so i guess i am a Greybeard, i have played > Basic, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 3.5 Editions, Me too - if I am somewhat younger than old Greybeard as we shall now call him! > we are not and never will play 4th Ed i am sure. I hope he's right... > Matt being Matt para-phrased > our argument missing out some > important bits I DID mention armours > effects on Somatic gestures during spellcasting, I've already clarified that, nice to see he was reading the threads carefully > and wizards tend to spend more time in the > library than learning weapons and training > in armours, That's just one more unnecessary assumption to add to the pile. What if wizardry depends on a small amount of book learning, but lots of talent? And what about characters who are part-time warriors and part-time wizards - can't they wear armour and cast spells? > i was willing to accept Sorcerers and > self taught Mages could wear None-metallic > armour including Mithril Shirt and Elfin Chain > mail as they are light and have no iron, Irrelevant, really. The point is that I don't see why some arcane spellcasters shouldn't wear full plate. > it is the magnetic effects that in the DM`s > opinion can have an adverse effect on > arcane spellcasting as well as the other points. MAGNETIC??? Do I hear you correctly??? So is magic part of the laws of modern physics now??? What a load of complete bunkum. And finally the relevant bit:- > Sparhawk is a Paladin, it actually says in > dialogue with Sephrenia that Styrics > cannot wear armour as it interferes > with their spellcasting. ? > Garion is not a wizard like Belgarath and > Polgara you never see them in armour. BULLCR**!!! I have read the Belgariad and distinctly remember Garion being a fearsome wizard. > Darth Vader is an Anti-Paladin(Blackgaurd). No, strictly he is in Omnifray terms a mystic, and in D&D terms not exactly a psionic, but pretty close to being one. > Thulsa Doom is a Cleric of Set. ? > WFRP Wizards cannot wear armour at all either. Is that right? > I don`t count Amber as its not an RPG > as it has no dice its just a Storygame. Please, please rip him to bits on this!!! And then he made some smart comment about the guy that called him a douche, and how he (Greybeard) is 6'5" and can cast teleport. But don't worry, he gets a spell failure chance because his wristwatch has 5 grams of metal in it. ;-) [/QUOTE]
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