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<blockquote data-quote="WayneLigon" data-source="post: 4573862" data-attributes="member: 3649"><p>Heh. If he's all hung up on the exact specifics of fictional characters vs what a D&D class can accomplish, then he's always going to win. Almost nothing except D&D fanfic has exact parallels to D&D classes, mainly because most authors don't have to create artificial balancing nerfs to stop gamers from creating a be-all-and-end-all character. </p><p></p><p>(There's an interesting anecdote from the City of Heroes design team that directly applies here; originally CoH was designed with a much more open-ended power selection process. Then they saw what people with the 'gamer mindset' did. When given a choice of creating <em>any </em>character, they all created <em>one </em>character: the flying tank-mage that had the most optimized set of powers possible with the least restrictions)</p><p></p><p>The weird and silly limbo-dance of justifications as to why mages couldn't wear armor don't matter in the least; the only real restriction there is that the designer didn't want offensive firepower and always-on protection from damage in one package. Most other designers that were not directly trying to create a D&D rip-off have avoided that trap in other ways without the arbitrary restrictions. </p><p></p><p>The whole 'training' thing doesn't wash. If magic took years of book-learning to master, then how can I multiclass into Wizard in less than a week of game time? People have more than enough time in the day to learn more than one skill. Are all physicists and lawyers - both professions that require a load of study and book time - pale, skinny weaklings? Certainly not. Nor did it take them 30 years to master their professions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WayneLigon, post: 4573862, member: 3649"] Heh. If he's all hung up on the exact specifics of fictional characters vs what a D&D class can accomplish, then he's always going to win. Almost nothing except D&D fanfic has exact parallels to D&D classes, mainly because most authors don't have to create artificial balancing nerfs to stop gamers from creating a be-all-and-end-all character. (There's an interesting anecdote from the City of Heroes design team that directly applies here; originally CoH was designed with a much more open-ended power selection process. Then they saw what people with the 'gamer mindset' did. When given a choice of creating [I]any [/I]character, they all created [I]one [/I]character: the flying tank-mage that had the most optimized set of powers possible with the least restrictions) The weird and silly limbo-dance of justifications as to why mages couldn't wear armor don't matter in the least; the only real restriction there is that the designer didn't want offensive firepower and always-on protection from damage in one package. Most other designers that were not directly trying to create a D&D rip-off have avoided that trap in other ways without the arbitrary restrictions. The whole 'training' thing doesn't wash. If magic took years of book-learning to master, then how can I multiclass into Wizard in less than a week of game time? People have more than enough time in the day to learn more than one skill. Are all physicists and lawyers - both professions that require a load of study and book time - pale, skinny weaklings? Certainly not. Nor did it take them 30 years to master their professions. [/QUOTE]
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