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<blockquote data-quote="Gargoyle" data-source="post: 3744551" data-attributes="member: 529">The logical reason would be that they are more effective than other characters outside of combat...but I don't agree with this particular conclusion.&nbsp; Even if it seems logical, it has proven to me to be less fun.&nbsp; I believe they should be equally effective...not in the way that they should necessarily do as much damage as a wizard or that they should be able to take as much punishment as fighters, but overall they should feel like an equally useful class in combat.&nbsp; There are a lot of players who are happy with their 3E bards...they don't mind that they aren't as useful in combat; they feel that their abilities are fun because they are so useful outside of combat, and because they can fill any niche.&nbsp; But I think they could be happier, and that the class could be more made more appealing to everyone.I believe the game would be more fun for everyone if every class was considered to be effective (though not necessarily equal) in combat.&nbsp; If a 4e bard (if there is even such a thing) can kick butt in a way without stepping on the toes of the classes in other roles then I think it would be a good thing.&nbsp; The leader role that WotC has defined might be just the ticket.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gargoyle, post: 3744551, member: 529"] The logical reason would be that they are more effective than other characters outside of combat...but I don't agree with this particular conclusion. Even if it seems logical, it has proven to me to be less fun. I believe they [I]should [/I] be equally effective...not in the way that they should necessarily do as much damage as a wizard or that they should be able to take as much punishment as fighters, but overall they should feel like an equally useful class in combat. There are a lot of players who are happy with their 3E bards...they don't mind that they aren't as useful in combat; they feel that their abilities are fun because they are so useful outside of combat, and because they can fill any niche. But I think they could be happier, and that the class could be more made more appealing to everyone. I believe the game would be more fun for everyone if every class was considered to be effective (though not necessarily equal) in combat. If a 4e bard (if there is even such a thing) can kick butt in a way without stepping on the toes of the classes in other roles then I think it would be a good thing. The leader role that WotC has defined might be just the ticket. [/QUOTE]

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