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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5995924" data-attributes="member: 95493">Yeah, I'm definitely not sold on these versions of Sorcerer and Warlock.In fact, this sorcerer seems a lot more like a Warlock, and the warlock a lot more like a Wizard (up until the meddlers part).I think of my sorcerers as those who have magic in their background or bloodline, but more ancestrally instead of some other soul trapped inside. I see them as being innate to magic and not needing to study it, unlike wizards. Wizards are definitely the ones who study for hours, or go searching for long forgotten secrets to perform powerful magic. I also see wizards as the ones forming bonds with eldritch creatures. What they described for the warlock is what I see for all sorcerers who make deals they shouldn't.I see wizards as the careful study of magic to figure out what its limits are and where it can be broken, remolded and mastered. Sorcerers I see the as opposite of that. I do see them first manifesting powers in adolescence if only because that is when most natural talents emerge. Sorcerers are the ones who feel magic in them and use it towards often explosive results. They can be the ones who spew magic (or fire) from their mouths or innately know magical words to transform or charm others. If there is one area I feel sorcerers shouldn't be as good at performing that would probably be summoning, as I don't see them caring to learn to summon other creatures to fight their battles for them. When you have the power of a dragon somewhere rumbling around inside you, I see less reason to want to make pacts or summon demons.My problem I guess has always been the warlock. I get the feel of what that article was trying to say but I very much disagree on the methods or even the mindset of the potential warlock. I don't see warlocks as seeking out dark secrets to summon evil creatures for the purpose of making pacts. I see them more as the weak or infirm in movies who make deals with the devil in exchange for a promising outcome. This is part of why I disagree with the articles' 2 souls thing for the sorcerers - that is where I feel you start to get into warlock territory. Warlocks are the ones who ACCEPT deals but I don't see them as the ones seeking them out. Instead I see them as the bearers of curses that were brought on by their acceptance of terms from a dark creature. For this reason I expect to see them have powers, but once again I see those powers differently than from a wizard or sorcerer. Where a wizard studies, and a sorcerer explodes with raw power - the warlock is more about having powers that are unseen. They get wings, or improved strength, perhaps (in 3e terms) a few spell-like abilities. As slowly but surely the warlock starts losing their soul and what makes them them and turning into an outsider, elemental, fey or whatever species they made the pact with. In exchange for a boon, and for a favourable result to start (maybe akin to a wish?) they sacrifice their soul and join the creatures they made a deal with.Long and ramble-y I know, but this article bugged me and I figured there was no way to explain how without giving my mindset. YMMV of course.</blockquote>

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