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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5996034" data-attributes="member: 95493">I happen to agree with this, the closest I ever understood this was the warmage in 3e and even that was pushing it. I think AT BEST the explaination is that they have the magic in them so they don't need to study, which opens up time for training like a fighter but I agree that they shouldn't be a fighter with magic abilities.A good example for me for an iconic sorcerer would actually be the sword of truth protagonist. He is a fighter (or w/e) to start but he learns of his sorcery bloodline later. Another example, for me, would be gandalf or really any example where the person STARTS with magic in their blood and is able to use it instead of having to go out and explore.Now that doesn't preclude them from learning additional magic as a wizard would but that is something on top of their natural bloodline. They could (and probably should) be further executing and training in their natural powers to become stronger instead of becoming a wizard too, for example.Oh, there are certainly examples where the person asking for favour isn't weak or infirm; I just see that as the normal or most common example. A great example for me would be johnny blaze in the ghostrider movies (I haven't read the comics) where his dad is dying and he makes a deal to save him. Only the devil screws him in the end, years later johnny gets the power of the ghostrider and wreaks vengeance on evil people. He can use that power to whatever ends he wants, but he is always going to be cursed.Another example, from RPGs, would be the blood-mages in dragon age. They use the power of demons, let them in and form deals for greater power. They are also sorcerers (by my method) too as they can do deals without demon power but they gain so much more by shedding blood and using demon power that many fall to that trick and become corrupted. That is exactly how I see warlocks. Rarely will they use arcane tomes and search out hidden artifacts in obscure mountain ranges, but if they are ever down on their luck and in need of a boost then a pact-maker might show up and offer them a deal. That deal will forever change them and curse them (lose their soul). In this way I can see a stronger warlock gaining the traits of that pact-maker as they get stronger, letting the pact-maker take over or in some other way becoming a creature like their pact-maker.</blockquote>

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