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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 4981463" data-attributes="member: 5143">Yep.&nbsp; Welcome to group who taught me how D&amp;D was supposed to be played.&nbsp; That player is the one who invited me to the group to try it.We sometimes thought he was a jerk.&nbsp; But then again, the prevailing opinion was that our DM at the time was way too easily manipulated.&nbsp; Meanwhile the player was the most crafty amongst us and able to get whatever he wanted.There's another story about the same DM.&nbsp; She apparently didn't know that the +1 part of a +1 weapon added to both to hit and damage(which she really should have, she had been running the game for a while), she thought it was to hit only.&nbsp; A different player bet her that it was both and if he won he could bring in any character he wanted to with &quot;basic equipment&quot;.&nbsp; She saw no problem with this.&nbsp; He proved her wrong.&nbsp; He created a character who came from a far away kingdom he made up(our DM regularly let us add on to her world in order to make up backgrounds for our characters as long as it didn't effect anything already established in the game).&nbsp; He apparently had a Dragon Mount, and a +5 Sword and +5 Armor at level 1.&nbsp; He told the DM that everyone from that country who was in the military had that as standard equipment.&nbsp; And she had lost the bet fair and square.So she let him have it.&nbsp; I never heard what happened to it as that happened before I joined the group and he had already switched characters by the time I joined.&nbsp; Still, that was pretty much standard for the group...if you outsmarted the DM, you could have whatever you wanted because the DM played by the letter of the rules as well as &quot;realism&quot; when the rules were silent.&nbsp; Make a logical enough argument using &quot;realism&quot; and you could have whatever you wanted.It's actually one of the reasons I liked 3e and now 4e so much.&nbsp; There were a lot more rules and therefore a lot less times someone could appeal to the DM using &quot;logic&quot; and &quot;realism&quot; in order to get whatever they wanted.And in an effort to stay on topic...it's the reason I like the nerfing of Wizards because their rules rely less on balancing the game with logic and instead balance the game with numbers.&nbsp; It's too easy to use a Wish spell to get yourself completely and utterly broken if you can convince the DM of it.&nbsp; It isn't nearly as easy to use Fireball for the same purpose.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 4981463, member: 5143"] Yep. Welcome to group who taught me how D&D was supposed to be played. That player is the one who invited me to the group to try it. We sometimes thought he was a jerk. But then again, the prevailing opinion was that our DM at the time was way too easily manipulated. Meanwhile the player was the most crafty amongst us and able to get whatever he wanted. There's another story about the same DM. She apparently didn't know that the +1 part of a +1 weapon added to both to hit and damage(which she really should have, she had been running the game for a while), she thought it was to hit only. A different player bet her that it was both and if he won he could bring in any character he wanted to with "basic equipment". She saw no problem with this. He proved her wrong. He created a character who came from a far away kingdom he made up(our DM regularly let us add on to her world in order to make up backgrounds for our characters as long as it didn't effect anything already established in the game). He apparently had a Dragon Mount, and a +5 Sword and +5 Armor at level 1. He told the DM that everyone from that country who was in the military had that as standard equipment. And she had lost the bet fair and square. So she let him have it. I never heard what happened to it as that happened before I joined the group and he had already switched characters by the time I joined. Still, that was pretty much standard for the group...if you outsmarted the DM, you could have whatever you wanted because the DM played by the letter of the rules as well as "realism" when the rules were silent. Make a logical enough argument using "realism" and you could have whatever you wanted. It's actually one of the reasons I liked 3e and now 4e so much. There were a lot more rules and therefore a lot less times someone could appeal to the DM using "logic" and "realism" in order to get whatever they wanted. And in an effort to stay on topic...it's the reason I like the nerfing of Wizards because their rules rely less on balancing the game with logic and instead balance the game with numbers. It's too easy to use a Wish spell to get yourself completely and utterly broken if you can convince the DM of it. It isn't nearly as easy to use Fireball for the same purpose. [/QUOTE]

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