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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4983517" data-attributes="member: 22779">I think it's probably the most telling about the differences in the approaches of the game when the most powerful creature in the books, a pit fiend (and if a pit fiend isn't the biggest non-unique baddy, it's pretty darn close) isn't considered a sufficient challenge for a high level party.  That it's a challenge for a name level party, true, but, by the time you get to the end of the spell list for wizards, pit fiends aren't a serious challenge.It makes comparisons so difficult between editions.As far as fireball goes.  Well, in 3e, why would you bother?  By 7th level, you magic missiles were doing 4d4+4 for an average of 14 points of damage.  Your fireballs were doing 7d6, for an average of 24, but a save throw which meant that you were likely going to do about 12 points of damage.  Again, we run into play style issues.  If you used large groups of small creatures, then fireball is king.  If you, instead, played with small numbers of big creatures, fireball sucked.  I would suggest that views of a given spell have far more to do with how the adventures you played through were designed than anything to do with the spells themselves.</blockquote>