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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 4985698" data-attributes="member: 11300">At that point there was a cheer and raising of glasses, so the wizard's casting was ruled to be suitably disguised - it was just the perfect moment and so off the cuff... a really nice casting of a spell.Putting on my own DM's hat, mage hand creates a spectral hand which I'm not too sure is strictly invisible (is it ghostly in appearance)? The rules seem to be vague on whether the object is allowed to be attended by someone (if so, then mage hand would seem to be an excellent tool for disarming combatants). As such, I'm not too sure it would conclusively work (I know that the 3.5 version of Mage Hand would not work with an attended object). Someone mentioned prestidigitation but the range here would be too close having to be within 10ft. (The range on the grease spell was about 35/40ft.) As well, it is not as natural as a dropped crashing glass to get attention (with evidence of the grease being unnoticeable). Possible but maybe not quite as effective.Hmmm... it's a maybe (and certainly worthy of being paid by a supportive 4e DM looking to reward inventiveness despite the clunky tools) but not a certainty.Well you had prestidigitation and mage hand in 3.x anyway... but all the illusion spells were ripe for imaginitive use. Unseen Servant was also one of those spells that could be nicely used. But to answer your question, Grease is just a damn useful spell in a lot of scenarios and I suppose the slapstick possibilities with it are just fun and so it is always a good spell to have close to hand.As far as my own example was concerned, I just wanted to demonstrate that wizardly effects didn't have to be powerful to be really useful but at the same time, they were heavily dependent upon circumstance, inventiveness and timing, and not an "I-win" button to be repeatedly mashed until success was assured. Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

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