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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 4991216" data-attributes="member: 61155">I think my own issue with your comments is that you seem to equate "not having the most ideal spells chosen" with... being 8 years old.  This entire mindset of "you don't have any place playing a 12th level character without meeting a certain requirement of system mastery"... that is everything people are complaining about 3.5 in a nutshell.  Why should I have a character with the perfect spells and equipment prepared for every possible encounter? Why shouldn't I instead just be able to build an appropriate character concept who is effective at what he does, and not have this mean my instant death when shadows come pouring out of the walls? Why can't I have a wizard who enjoys hurling fireballs at his foes, rather than driving them away with repulsion and trapping them with walls of force?  There shouldn't be a certain list of items or spells required to succeed. There shouldn't be a "you must be this tall to ride" sign, with a certain level of system mastery needed to play at level 12. And the expectations you seem to have are very high - not just for random 8 year old players, but for plenty of people who have played this game for years.  You might be shocked that a 12th level wizard didn't have wall of force, and not know what to say. For myself, I am similarly struck speechless by the idea that you cannot even conceive of someone player a wizard at that level without that one specific spell.</blockquote>

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