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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack99" data-source="post: 5385329" data-attributes="member: 53135">I disagree, even if we are indeed getting offtopic with this. I think Essentials are a new beginning to a much larger degree than anticipated. In particular because of its not being included in the old CB.In short, I no longer (just as many others) believe in 5e. At least not anytime soon. I do however see a WotC that builds on 4e, tweaking it, twisting it, giving in to the many flavors. And I think that was the plan from the get-go. However, the design of core 4e classes caused some issues (its really, really hard for people to design awesome 4e classes, AND it takes a long time), and at some point I believe it was decided that it would be smarter to switch to Essentials being the basis for any movement forward.And here we are.</blockquote>