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<blockquote data-quote="Harr" data-source="post: 4294098" data-attributes="member: 47190">We have a wizard in the party. He does very well. Doesn't outshine anyone, but he's certainly an integral part of the team to the point where if he misses the game some night the rest of the guys truly miss having all enemies at half hp before they even lay a hand on them.That's not even counting the times when he decides to start mopping up the battle field with his flaming ball.I think people expect the wizard to be able to hit those 9 guys with his scorching blast and also kill those 9 guys with his scorching blast. That's never gonna happen, because he's not made or meant to do that. He's not meant to kill. He's meant to hit. A lot. All over the place. So the strikers can then come in and just sorta pick 'em off. And he does fabulously well at what he does.Rush your strikers with 6 guys at a time and see what happens. then add in a couple wizards and then see what happens.Wizards (and all 4e classes) are meant to be judged on their performance while working in a team with other roles. I mean if your friends are looking at wizards powers and imagining just a single wizard in the middle of a bunch of monsters and scoffinf, of course I can understand why they'd feel that way, but then I'd tell them to flip over to the warlord and get an even bigger laugh. It's not the way it's meant to be looked at.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harr, post: 4294098, member: 47190"] We have a wizard in the party. He does very well. Doesn't outshine anyone, but he's certainly an integral part of the team to the point where if he misses the game some night the rest of the guys truly miss having all enemies at half hp before they even lay a hand on them. That's not even counting the times when he decides to start mopping up the battle field with his flaming ball. I think people expect the wizard to be able to hit those 9 guys with his scorching blast [b]and also kill those 9 guys[/b] with his scorching blast. That's never gonna happen, because he's not made or meant to do that. He's not meant to kill. He's meant to hit. A lot. All over the place. So the strikers can then come in and just sorta pick 'em off. And he does fabulously well at what he does. Rush your strikers with 6 guys at a time and see what happens. then add in a couple wizards and [i]then[/i] see what happens. Wizards (and all 4e classes) are meant to be judged on their performance while working in a team with other roles. I mean if your friends are looking at wizards powers and imagining just a single wizard in the middle of a bunch of monsters and scoffinf, of course I can understand why they'd feel that way, but then I'd tell them to flip over to the warlord and get an even bigger laugh. It's not the way it's meant to be looked at. [/QUOTE]

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