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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 4299931" data-attributes="member: 5890">The problem is that often &quot;awesome&quot; means &quot;does everything with a single spell that some other character was doing with their entire class&quot;.The umberhulk/troll idea for instance: how do you make it worthwhile as a daily without making the fighter obsolete? Turning yourself into a fighter with no daily or encounter powers is going to be crap. Turning yourself into a fighter with dailies and encounter powers is going to be too good. Moreover, how good the spell is will depend on how many encounter powers and dailies you've already spent. I suppose maybe you could use some method for converting your dailies and encounter powers into umberhulk powers or whatever, but it sounds way too complicated to be a quick thing in a fight, which was always the other problem with polymorph.And, of course, you're stealing the fighter's schtick, all the while holding firmly onto your own.I agree entirely on rock to mud though - very much a controller power (although probably better as &quot;create mud&quot;). Well, except there are spells that already have a similar effect. I guess if you're really set on it, you could just redescribe one of them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 4299931, member: 5890"] The problem is that often "awesome" means "does everything with a single spell that some other character was doing with their entire class". The umberhulk/troll idea for instance: how do you make it worthwhile as a daily without making the fighter obsolete? Turning yourself into a fighter with no daily or encounter powers is going to be crap. Turning yourself into a fighter with dailies and encounter powers is going to be too good. Moreover, how good the spell is will depend on how many encounter powers and dailies you've already spent. I suppose maybe you could use some method for converting your dailies and encounter powers into umberhulk powers or whatever, but it sounds way too complicated to be a quick thing in a fight, which was always the other problem with polymorph. And, of course, you're stealing the fighter's schtick, all the while holding firmly onto your own. I agree entirely on rock to mud though - very much a controller power (although probably better as "create mud"). Well, except there are spells that already have a similar effect. I guess if you're really set on it, you could just redescribe one of them. [/QUOTE]

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