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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9681289" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>It wouldn't be "unfortunate", it would be a absolutely a guarantee that the game was a flop. A hard guarantee. People do not buy "family-friendly" CRPGs nor story-RPGs (i.e. Witcher, Mass Effect, etc.). That's a big part of why there are no AA or AAA "family-friendly" CRPGs and the only story RPGs which even arguably are were relatively unsuccessful.</p><p></p><p>BG3 might be more graphic than most (but only because it has third-person mocap'd 3D cutscenes - and none of them as graphic as say, the "climactic" sex scenes in Mass Effect: Andromeda!)</p><p></p><p></p><p>In all terms of the game's success, heartless NSFW would sell and review better than "family-friendly" (heartless or otherwise - plus there's absolutely no reason to think writers who would do heartless NSFW would write heartful family-friendly - that's just not how things work), that would, in fact, be better. That's a cold fact of CRPGs and their audience. Their audience is a mixture of like, 40-something and older nerdy guys, who, on the whole, like that sort of thing (sorry but as a group we do), and a much larger, more gender-diverse (lotta women and NB people and so on) but equally nerdy group of 20-30-somethings who love stuff like romantasy, horny fan fiction (writing or reading), and so on.</p><p></p><p>This is how you sell 20m copies. That's how Astarion becomes an absolute icon.</p><p></p><p>You don't sell 20m copies by not having a bunch of fabulously over-the-top characters. You don't sell by not having romances (sorry Josh Sawyer, Carrie Patel, I love you both, but you are literally significantly hurting the sales of your games by being opposed to romances and seeking to minimize or remove them). You don't sell by being "family-friendly". Kids of the "family-friendly" age generally are not playing nor interested in CRPGs in 2025 - they're not us in the 1990s, sorry (and frankly even 1990s CRPGs often had sex scenes - albeit usually written - I think the first one I came across, aged 11, was in The Savage Empire, which has at least one).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I wouldn't advise it.</p><p></p><p>Owlcat are a company who have improved and bounds.</p><p></p><p>But that means when you go back to their earlier work, it's leaps and bounds worse. Kingmaker is pretty horribly written, has really annoying meta-gameplay that you basically need to "research" in order to play the game, and just isn't very fun. Wrath of the Righteous is a lot better-written, but also has different but also annoying meta-gameplay and tedious required minigames (which you can turn off, but then you miss significant stuff!). Rogue Trader was the first time they really nailed that formula. The ship combat minigames are okay, the writing is the best they've ever done, and by a margin, and the gameplay is generally a lot more engaging than trying to slog through trillions of PF1E encounters, which were designed for RtwP in both Pathfinder games, so turn-based modes just makes it into a MEGA SLOG!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9681289, member: 18"] It wouldn't be "unfortunate", it would be a absolutely a guarantee that the game was a flop. A hard guarantee. People do not buy "family-friendly" CRPGs nor story-RPGs (i.e. Witcher, Mass Effect, etc.). That's a big part of why there are no AA or AAA "family-friendly" CRPGs and the only story RPGs which even arguably are were relatively unsuccessful. BG3 might be more graphic than most (but only because it has third-person mocap'd 3D cutscenes - and none of them as graphic as say, the "climactic" sex scenes in Mass Effect: Andromeda!) In all terms of the game's success, heartless NSFW would sell and review better than "family-friendly" (heartless or otherwise - plus there's absolutely no reason to think writers who would do heartless NSFW would write heartful family-friendly - that's just not how things work), that would, in fact, be better. That's a cold fact of CRPGs and their audience. Their audience is a mixture of like, 40-something and older nerdy guys, who, on the whole, like that sort of thing (sorry but as a group we do), and a much larger, more gender-diverse (lotta women and NB people and so on) but equally nerdy group of 20-30-somethings who love stuff like romantasy, horny fan fiction (writing or reading), and so on. This is how you sell 20m copies. That's how Astarion becomes an absolute icon. You don't sell 20m copies by not having a bunch of fabulously over-the-top characters. You don't sell by not having romances (sorry Josh Sawyer, Carrie Patel, I love you both, but you are literally significantly hurting the sales of your games by being opposed to romances and seeking to minimize or remove them). You don't sell by being "family-friendly". Kids of the "family-friendly" age generally are not playing nor interested in CRPGs in 2025 - they're not us in the 1990s, sorry (and frankly even 1990s CRPGs often had sex scenes - albeit usually written - I think the first one I came across, aged 11, was in The Savage Empire, which has at least one). I wouldn't advise it. Owlcat are a company who have improved and bounds. But that means when you go back to their earlier work, it's leaps and bounds worse. Kingmaker is pretty horribly written, has really annoying meta-gameplay that you basically need to "research" in order to play the game, and just isn't very fun. Wrath of the Righteous is a lot better-written, but also has different but also annoying meta-gameplay and tedious required minigames (which you can turn off, but then you miss significant stuff!). Rogue Trader was the first time they really nailed that formula. The ship combat minigames are okay, the writing is the best they've ever done, and by a margin, and the gameplay is generally a lot more engaging than trying to slog through trillions of PF1E encounters, which were designed for RtwP in both Pathfinder games, so turn-based modes just makes it into a MEGA SLOG! [/QUOTE]
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