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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9797221" data-attributes="member: 7635">Magic is magic except for the whole "wizards are killed on sight" thing. Tolkien did not invent the whole of Western fantasy. So a lightsaber would be appropriate for Dark Sun because it's good for stabbing monsters. Noted.Advanced D&D. You claimed Dark Sun was reverting to pre-AD&D (OD&D). And it was a tremendous failure, considering how many of the great settings hew close to the PHB defaults.Opinions vary. Though to be fair, my complaints are not about the concept of 2e Dark Sun, just the execution.Every class except Fighter and possibly Thief was rewritten for Dark Sun. Every race got different racial traits. Ability score generation was different. Starting level was different. The spellcasting system was different (although not too different) and the equipment table was utterly gone. Even combat got changed due to the equipment table and weapon breakage rules. 2e Dark Sun used I'd say 40% of the 2e PHB and that is being generous. This isn't the same as "replace halfling with kender", it's practically a rewrite of the rules. And the story was they wanted to go further (no elves, dwarves or halflings at all) but management said no. Now here, we agree 100%. Let's end on a bright note.</blockquote>