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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Diamond Cross" data-source="post: 5489857" data-attributes="member: 51024">Bull. Utter crapola.That just sheer utter crap.Crap crap crap crap crap crap crap.I know I'm not going to change your mind on the matter. Once somebody's beliefs are locked in it's completely impossible to change their minds, regardless of the evidence. I've beaten plenty of Wizards in my time with a lowly fighter and they all used spells like that against me. I've also been beaten by many Wizards too, but mostly because I just misjudged them or I had a run of bad luck with the dice rolls.The claim "spell automatically counters X" means one is talking in generalities. They're also forgetting  or willfully ignoring the spell disruption rules. It's a powerful disadvantage any caster has. It's a poor way to argue.So what it comes down to is initiative. And randomness can have a heck of an effect on play. If the fighter goes first wait for the Wizard to start casting then attack. BAM! Spell disrupted. Wizard moves a step back, take a step forward. If the Wizard turns and run, BAM! Attack of opportunity.And even if the Wizard does go first, the fighter can still have a chance to disrupt the spell, depending upon how long it takes to cast the spell.A smart fighter always waits until the wizard starts casting so he can have a chance to disrupt the spell.The fighter is not useless against a wizard.  The fighter has many many advantages over a Wizard. And here's another opportunity.Give the fighter a Ring of Spell Turning, or a Ring Of Spell Storing, or even both, and, well, there goes much of the Wizard's spells right back at him.This doesn't count racial abilities such as the Elve's immunity to some spells. And some races get natural SR..There are many different ways a fighter can beat a wizard.This reminds me of the movie Down Periscope. Because the Admiral couldn't beat the Captain and he decided to nerf the Capatain's advantage so the Admiral can win. That's what the unimaginative do, try to nerf the other classes so their favored class can be the biggest baddest tough guy.You can keep on making that  claim, but I have a friend who will beat any Wizard you can build with a lowly fighter. And I really mean another friend as I am not that good of a player.</blockquote>

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