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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Happiest_Sadist" data-source="post: 578708" data-attributes="member: 1743">However, you must consider the type of spells both have.  Clerics arn't throwing shields and magic missles, much less dimension doors and fireballs or invisibilities and hastes.  The cleric is a support charachter, their spells are less flashym and not likely to change a whole encounter.However a cleric is more powerful than a wizard most of the time.  This is not necessarily as the cleric dosn't steal glory or fun.  Consider the following two encounters.  The party finds a group of orcish raiders.  The powerful wizard immediatly casts haste, and proceeds to blast them all into nothingness before anyone else can act.The party finds a group of orcish raiders.  The fighters and cleric wade through them with a few buff spells.  Then the cleric heals everyone else afterwards.The power of the cleric is effectivly spread out through the whole party, while the wizard is essentially selfish.</blockquote>