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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 583496" data-attributes="member: 704">I cannot really think of anyone who would not want to use a Cleric over a Wizard when fighting a Vampire.  A good turning check would have sent that vampire running, though you would have admittedly needed to roll quite high and have a decent Charisma bonus.  Failing that, you could also use your Spontaneous casting to inflict some nasty touch attack spells on the Vampire.  All of that comees before counting spells you may have chosen specifically to deal with Undead.Anyway, when trying to decide which class is better, you should probably do more then just put them in a 1v1 fight. Besides, how often do 1v1 fights pop up in a typical campaign? Here are some things you should look into before deciding whihc class is broken.1) The Orc Battle TestPut both characters, at about level 4 to 6 against a group of 10 Orcs in a 100 by 100 grid. Every time an Orc is dropped, spawn in another one. Compare the final body count once each dies.2) The Giant Battle TestPut both characters in the same room with three Hill Giants at about character level 9 to 12. Every time a Giant is dropped, spawn in another. Compare the final body count once each dies.3) Skill ConstestPrepare an obstacle course where the Jump, Swim, Climb, Balance, and Ride skills are required. Set the character levels at about 7 to 10, and use check DC's of about 17 to 23. Figure out who can get through in a faster amount of time.4) Absorbancy TestTake both character sheets, and place them in one litre of 2% milk. Remove the sheet after two minutes. Measure the quantity of milk remaining after removing the sheet.5) The Dragon TestPut both characters in a room with a Great Wyrm Dragon of your choice (same dragon for both). Figure out which one survives the longest and inflicts the most damage.6) The Class battle TestSet the character levels at about 15. Set each character against one member of each other class. Figure out which one has a better survival rate.You may need to run each test multiple times. If one class consistantly comes out ahead more often, then the class is imbalanced.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

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