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<blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 1023257" data-attributes="member: 1134">Your right it was stupid rules exploit, a smart rules exploit would be to strap a tower shield to a tensers floating and save some money.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> seriosuly it wasn't anymore stupid than a two handed fighter getting a shield or the two wepaon style guys getting a shield.&nbsp; And also a silly mithral bucker dodges it anyway(which now works with mage armor) so you only lose out on a couple AC, but its much cheaper and allows you to afford a more important fortification ability sooner.Also I'd like to point out the really high ACs, wizards got in 3e may be a thing of the past.&nbsp; Shield is now a shield bonus and down to +4, haste gives a +1 I think, cats grace is a sucky min a level.&nbsp; Wizard acs will be some of the lightest in the game, because you know having d4 hp wasn't enough of a penalty.What am I missing in this buildbracers ac8 dex 18(hey hey bought some gloves), ring protection +5, natural armor +5, bucler +5, haste +1.ac 39.in 3ebracers 8, shield spell +7, haste +4, ring +5, natural armor+5 dex 18. ac 43.&nbsp; The big difference isn't at these levels but the lower levels.&nbsp; where its more bracers ac2-4, ring +1, haste, shield spell before ac 24-26 without dex.Now ac 17-19 without dex.and with the hour long durations it was much more ocnceivable to have a cats grace up in 3e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shard O'Glase, post: 1023257, member: 1134"] Your right it was stupid rules exploit, a smart rules exploit would be to strap a tower shield to a tensers floating and save some money. :D seriosuly it wasn't anymore stupid than a two handed fighter getting a shield or the two wepaon style guys getting a shield. And also a silly mithral bucker dodges it anyway(which now works with mage armor) so you only lose out on a couple AC, but its much cheaper and allows you to afford a more important fortification ability sooner. Also I'd like to point out the really high ACs, wizards got in 3e may be a thing of the past. Shield is now a shield bonus and down to +4, haste gives a +1 I think, cats grace is a sucky min a level. Wizard acs will be some of the lightest in the game, because you know having d4 hp wasn't enough of a penalty. What am I missing in this build bracers ac8 dex 18(hey hey bought some gloves), ring protection +5, natural armor +5, bucler +5, haste +1. ac 39. in 3e bracers 8, shield spell +7, haste +4, ring +5, natural armor+5 dex 18. ac 43. The big difference isn't at these levels but the lower levels. where its more bracers ac2-4, ring +1, haste, shield spell before ac 24-26 without dex. Now ac 17-19 without dex. and with the hour long durations it was much more ocnceivable to have a cats grace up in 3e. [/QUOTE]

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