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<blockquote data-quote="VelvetViolet" data-source="post: 9669934" data-attributes="member: 6686357"><p>They already were. The White Wolf writers were paid by the word. They don’t get residuals.</p><p></p><p>The only bank accounts who would be harmed would be whoever drivethrurpg is sending money to whenever a PDF is bought. I strongly doubt that’s to the original writers.</p><p></p><p>The copyrights are owned by a corporation for 95 years after publication. They’re free to turn it into a skinsuit and attack dissenting fans for the next century, unless the fans move on and make products that suit their tastes. Vampires, werewolves, witches, fairies, etc. are not copyrighted. The fans could have easily made lots of their own IPs by now, but have refused to because of the sunk cost fallacy or something.</p><p></p><p>The toxic fandom vitriol we see in the edition wars is the fault of these tightfisted corpos running roughshod over IPs they didn’t create and don’t actually seem to like. The corporate copyrights have lasted long enough. It should be abolished and the fans should be free to make and sell their own versions of their beloved IPs.</p><p></p><p>There are so many canceled IPs that I would love to revive and build new fandoms around. Hunter: The Vigil and Changeling: The Lost, for example. Right now the best I can do is write original fiction with the serial numbers filed off, but I’m forever looking over my shoulder for fear of lawsuits.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I’ve checked out Liminal, Elegy, Urban Shadows, Night Shift, Vampire City, Wine Dark Nights, etc… they never measure up to 90s classics like Everlasting or WitchCraft. While some of them have really neat mechanics that solve problems I had for years with traditional systems, they never release supplements. The rulebook just teases a bunch of stuff that never comes. </p><p></p><p>If they expect me to DIY everything, then I’m not wasting my time on their experimental one-off game pitches. I’m gonna write original fiction exploring detailed settings instead, because I can publish that and maybe make money or something.</p><p></p><p>I’m sick of the edition wars. I already know V6 is gonna be another disaster that splits the fandom again, and I don’t even like VTM because I always preferred Requiem. I can’t imagine how V5 fanboys are gonna lose it and cyberbully V6 fans. Worse, the new creative director Paradox hired, Jason Carl, said they might do a new edition of Mage: The Ascension. Remember how Jess Henig got so many death threats that he was afraid to open his email for years, just for developing the third edition metaplot? I do not envy Carl.</p><p></p><p>I’m gonna make my own stuff because that way I don’t have to deal with fandom vitriol. I encourage everyone to do that. Give up on White Wolf and make your own IPs. You’ll all be a lot happier that way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VelvetViolet, post: 9669934, member: 6686357"] They already were. The White Wolf writers were paid by the word. They don’t get residuals. The only bank accounts who would be harmed would be whoever drivethrurpg is sending money to whenever a PDF is bought. I strongly doubt that’s to the original writers. The copyrights are owned by a corporation for 95 years after publication. They’re free to turn it into a skinsuit and attack dissenting fans for the next century, unless the fans move on and make products that suit their tastes. Vampires, werewolves, witches, fairies, etc. are not copyrighted. The fans could have easily made lots of their own IPs by now, but have refused to because of the sunk cost fallacy or something. The toxic fandom vitriol we see in the edition wars is the fault of these tightfisted corpos running roughshod over IPs they didn’t create and don’t actually seem to like. The corporate copyrights have lasted long enough. It should be abolished and the fans should be free to make and sell their own versions of their beloved IPs. There are so many canceled IPs that I would love to revive and build new fandoms around. Hunter: The Vigil and Changeling: The Lost, for example. Right now the best I can do is write original fiction with the serial numbers filed off, but I’m forever looking over my shoulder for fear of lawsuits. I’ve checked out Liminal, Elegy, Urban Shadows, Night Shift, Vampire City, Wine Dark Nights, etc… they never measure up to 90s classics like Everlasting or WitchCraft. While some of them have really neat mechanics that solve problems I had for years with traditional systems, they never release supplements. The rulebook just teases a bunch of stuff that never comes. If they expect me to DIY everything, then I’m not wasting my time on their experimental one-off game pitches. I’m gonna write original fiction exploring detailed settings instead, because I can publish that and maybe make money or something. I’m sick of the edition wars. I already know V6 is gonna be another disaster that splits the fandom again, and I don’t even like VTM because I always preferred Requiem. I can’t imagine how V5 fanboys are gonna lose it and cyberbully V6 fans. Worse, the new creative director Paradox hired, Jason Carl, said they might do a new edition of Mage: The Ascension. Remember how Jess Henig got so many death threats that he was afraid to open his email for years, just for developing the third edition metaplot? I do not envy Carl. I’m gonna make my own stuff because that way I don’t have to deal with fandom vitriol. I encourage everyone to do that. Give up on White Wolf and make your own IPs. You’ll all be a lot happier that way. [/QUOTE]
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