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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9674040" data-attributes="member: 7026617">I just don't see it given all the emphasis on corruption and cosmic poisoning.&nbsp; I will just point out that C.J. Carella neither was born in nor grew up in the U.S. I'm not sure which specific country he was from, but he's South American (note his full name is Carlos J. Martijena-Carella.&nbsp; That doesn't mean your assessment is wrong, but its a context you need to keep.Yeah, but for the most part&nbsp; they're also pretty much each bog-standard over-the-top spy agencies in practice.&nbsp; The only thing really interesting about them is the fact some of them think they're the good guys.&nbsp; Detail doesn't intrinsically make anything more interesting.(There's a problem with doing direct comparison because there simply is massively more material for the WoD, the equivalent on the WC line mostly never arrived (I know because I was editing them, and of the five we were working on, only one ever came out (two others were edited in part of whole).&nbsp; So there are interesting things buried in some of the Mage material, but its a certain degree of if you keep going long enough with people with any talent you're bound to get that.).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 9674040, member: 7026617"] I just don't see it given all the emphasis on corruption and cosmic poisoning. I will just point out that C.J. Carella neither was born in nor grew up in the U.S. I'm not sure which specific country he was from, but he's South American (note his full name is Carlos J. Martijena-Carella. That doesn't mean your assessment is wrong, but its a context you need to keep. Yeah, but for the most part they're also pretty much each bog-standard over-the-top spy agencies in practice. The only thing really interesting about them is the fact some of them think they're the good guys. Detail doesn't intrinsically make anything more interesting. (There's a problem with doing direct comparison because there simply is massively more material for the WoD, the equivalent on the WC line mostly never arrived (I know because I was editing them, and of the five we were working on, only one ever came out (two others were edited in part of whole). So there are interesting things buried in some of the Mage material, but its a certain degree of if you keep going long enough with people with any talent you're bound to get that.). [/QUOTE]

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