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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2102126" data-attributes="member: 29252">Where does it say that, of necessity, the Simulacrum counts as Energy drained?  It specifies reduced hit dice, it specifies that it has the abilities of a creature of that hit dice (which, I'm reading that we both agree are reduced, but we disagree on by how much)), it does not specify the specific form that the reduction takes (you seem to read that as permanent negative levels - but where it it stated that that is the case?).I gave you the link earlier, and even underlined it - but didn't spell out that it was a link so as not to break the flow of the text - here it is again: <a href="http://srd.pbemnexus.com/monstersDrtoDw.html#black-dragon" target="_blank">http://srd.pbemnexus.com/monstersDrtoDw.html#black-dragon</a>without the nice URL tags so that it's totally clear it's a web location (including the #black-dragon should take you straight to the black dragon tables I was looking at, if you were wondering - I DID quote my sorces, while you seem to imply I didn't). *shrug* so I missed the more specific definition for breath weapons when working things, simply taking things straight off the table instead. Still though, a Simacrula is not necessarily the equivalent monster, drained; it's HD are reduced - if you look up the black dragons by HD and then get the abilities from that location (as you might for a new creature that has a different hit dice, and abilities of a creature of those HD), you get one result; if you look up the black dragon by Age, then change it's HD (as you might for negative levels), you get a compeltely different result.  Which is the "correct" method?  My position is that the RAW doesn't say clearly for the case in question.  That's part of what a Game Master is for.  Show me a place where it does, and I'll concede the point.  Show me where the SRD says that the Sim is the base with negative levels, or permanent energy drain, or equivalent, rather than simply rehashing the point where it says it has less HD and interperting that to mean the aforementioned, and I'll post here saying you have convinced me.  Until then, the presence of a disagreement would strongly suggest that the issue isn't in the "strict logic indicates" stage.We can do this another round, but at this point we are just going in circles.</blockquote>

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