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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2102184" data-attributes="member: 29252"></blockquote>No, it doesn't; it states that it appears to be phisically identical. The whole thing: It's not physically identicle, it just appears to be so; tell me, if I find a version of disguise self that makes me "appear" to be a size category larger, does that mean I also get the bonuses and penalties associated with another size?The releavent ability descriptions is a single sentence, highlight by me for this particular point:Note the word "appears" nowhere does it say that it is physically identicle. For that matter, it even specifies the likeness is always off to some degree (a little further down, but still in the full spell description, above) when it states that you need to make a Disguise roll to see how good the likeness is. It does The attacks are only partially based on size - they are also based on other features of the dragon (it's base stats and it's BAB, to name two) that have been pre-calculated into the listings. A sim is specifically listed as being only partially real; if I cast a Silent Image of a fighter swinging a sword, and the illusionary sword hits a target, does the target take damage? No? Then should a partially real duplicate deal full damage? Agreed.No, they are based on Hit Dice, Ability Scores, and specific racial modifiers, probably a few other things I'm missing as well (size penalty to reflex, perhaps). Agreed.The damage dice are listed as being based on age category - but does the base creature determine the age category or does the hit dice determine the age category? This is the crux of the specific disagreement on form. Again, my position is that the choice of the two is unclear. Specific responses to your specific examples are simply devil's-advocate demonstrations of that.And again, crux of the distinction between our reactions - is age category based on the creature copied or the HD of the creature? Where is that stated?I'd guess age category - but I'd also base age category on HD, so an Old making a Juvinile copy would get no spells.Clearly - but is age category based on the copied creature directly or on the copied creature's HD? Again, the crux of the example disagreement.Clearly - but is age category based on the copied creature directly or on the copied creature's HD? Again, the crux of the example disagreement.Clearly - but is age category based on the copied creature directly or on the copied creature's HD? Again, the crux of the example disagreement.Agreed.   Uh-huh. And the link included IN THE ONE YOU RESPONDED TO didn't indicate that?Edit: Sorry, in the above, I made a slight grammer error repeatedly that could change the meaning of the phrase: - The big question for the specific example:  Does the Base creature's Age Category determine directly the Age Category of the Sim, or does the Sim's final HD determine the Sim's Age Category?  The crux of the specific example argument - but where is this stated, either way?Again, just to be clear - I'm not arguing specifics to say "my reaction to the specific mechanics is correct", I'm arguing them to point out that the SRD doesn't specify that level of the specific mechanics.[/QUOTE]

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