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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2102198" data-attributes="member: 29252">Hate to break it to you, but that's not the crux of the disagreement. The crux for the specific example: Is the Age category of a sim of a particular type of dragon based on the original's Age Category or the final HD of the sim? Where's it stated which is the case?There's tables for the age category of the dragon - by how many years old it is. It has lots of info on abilites - based on the age category. Where's the table that detemines the age category of the dragon by it's Hit Dice? If anything, for the sim you make is 0 years old to start; as it can't advance in any way, it will always be that age for purposes of draconic abilities. So it's permanently a wyrmling. But that's completely rediculous. I'm using the summery tables for the simple reason that they provide a reverse-lookup to go from HD to age category.  If A causes B by some exhaustive 1 to 1 function, and A causes C by some 1 to 1 function, then B and C are also related by some 1 to 1 function. Simple logic (I'm not putting the proof here - too cumbersome). If the specific functions are unknown, but you have tables of known correct values that correspond for specific values of A<->B and A<->C, and you have matching values of A in known translations of B and C, then you can match the corresponding values of B and C. Application of simple logic. Thus, with the situation above, if you have a known instance of C, a matching A for that C, and a matching B for that A, you also have a matching B for that C. Trivially. The only specifics of the Simacrula spell's result are it's HD, that it has abilities appropriet to a creature of that kind for that HD, and an appearence very similar to the base creature. HD we have for sure - I'm simply logically backtracking from C (HD, known for certain) to B (Other abilities, in question) through A (Age Category, correlates on tables to both abilities and HD for the specific type of dragon). However, it's a spell - spells have non-logical results at times - the spell does not specify that it takes the physical abilities of the original - not in 3.5 SRD, anyway - nor does it specifically specify that the HD reduction on abilities applies to ALL abilities Bar none - but it does give a listing, and use et cetera, so it is a simple matter to read it that way.Edit: Sorry, it doesn't use et cetera.  Skip that small portion.</blockquote>

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