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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2102204" data-attributes="member: 29252">It specifies that it has the abilities of a creature of that type of that HD.&nbsp; Ability scores, basic description, most special abilities, et cetera, can be matched up to a creature of the type with the HD.&nbsp; After all, ability scores don't scale (much) with level or Hit Dice, and most creatures use the &quot;standard&quot; all-10's and 11's before the monster template (this is specified under improving monsters) I can get ability scores, movement capacity, and mind from those, as appropriet to the creature with that HD; it's a fairly trivial (and I suspect most would say reasonable) extension of the spell's description - After all, does Summon Monster I specify the stats of the critter, or does everyone normally just assume it's completley typical for it's kind (barring feats, and class abilities, or special circumstances that change them, of course)?&nbsp; Is the age part of the type (and thus inherited from the original) or a function of the Hit Dice (especially as the tables specify the final ability scores for dragons of a given age category)?&nbsp; That's the crux of the argument on the specifics.&nbsp; My position is that it's not entirely clear.&nbsp; Show me where it is, and I'll concede the issue.&nbsp; For now, though, I'm going to bed.&nbsp; I have work in the morning.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 2102204, member: 29252"] It specifies that it has the abilities of a creature of that type of that HD. Ability scores, basic description, most special abilities, et cetera, can be matched up to a creature of the type with the HD. After all, ability scores don't scale (much) with level or Hit Dice, and most creatures use the "standard" all-10's and 11's before the monster template (this is specified under improving monsters) I can get ability scores, movement capacity, and mind from those, as appropriet to the creature with that HD; it's a fairly trivial (and I suspect most would say reasonable) extension of the spell's description - After all, does Summon Monster I specify the stats of the critter, or does everyone normally just assume it's completley typical for it's kind (barring feats, and class abilities, or special circumstances that change them, of course)? Is the age part of the type (and thus inherited from the original) or a function of the Hit Dice (especially as the tables specify the final ability scores for dragons of a given age category)? That's the crux of the argument on the specifics. My position is that it's not entirely clear. Show me where it is, and I'll concede the issue. For now, though, I'm going to bed. I have work in the morning. [/QUOTE]

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