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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6410161" data-attributes="member: 7006">If I'm understanding you correctly... you're suggesting a situation where someone is invisible but no one is there to sense him.&nbsp; Sure, in that case I wouldn't ask for a DEX (Stealth) check, just like I wouldn't ask for someone standing alone in a room to make a DEX (Stealth) check, invisible or not.&nbsp; If no one is there to sense him, then he is by definition 100% beyond being sensed.But if someone is invisible and the possibility exists that someone could walk by and sense him (through Passive Perception)... then I absolutely would ask for a DEX (Stealth) check right at the top so that I'm prepped for when the passerby goes by.&nbsp; Now depending on the situation and where the invisible person was standing I might give Advantage on the DEX check or perhaps even some other additional bonuses... but they still need the check just to see how well or poorly they're holding themselves.&nbsp; If you're invisible but you still stand in the middle of a room with people walking by you, that makes you more prone to being noticed.&nbsp; Or if you try and regulate your breathing but for whatever reason are breathing heavy, that also will make you prone to being noticed.&nbsp; That DEX check tells me how well you're doing.For me, just being invisible doesn't give you a free pass to never being sensed, even if someone isn't specifically trying to find you.&nbsp; The one thing the Invisible condition gives you is satisfying the Heavily Obscured requirement regardless of where you happen to be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6410161, member: 7006"] If I'm understanding you correctly... you're suggesting a situation where someone is invisible but no one is there to sense him. Sure, in that case I wouldn't ask for a DEX (Stealth) check, just like I wouldn't ask for someone standing alone in a room to make a DEX (Stealth) check, invisible or not. If no one is there to sense him, then he is by definition 100% beyond being sensed. But if someone is invisible and the possibility exists that someone could walk by and sense him (through Passive Perception)... then I absolutely would ask for a DEX (Stealth) check right at the top so that I'm prepped for when the passerby goes by. Now depending on the situation and where the invisible person was standing I might give Advantage on the DEX check or perhaps even some other additional bonuses... but they still need the check just to see how well or poorly they're holding themselves. If you're invisible but you still stand in the middle of a room with people walking by you, that makes you more prone to being noticed. Or if you try and regulate your breathing but for whatever reason are breathing heavy, that also will make you prone to being noticed. That DEX check tells me how well you're doing. For me, just being invisible doesn't give you a free pass to never being sensed, even if someone isn't specifically trying to find you. The one thing the Invisible condition gives you is satisfying the Heavily Obscured requirement regardless of where you happen to be. [/QUOTE]

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