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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 1777256" data-attributes="member: 1956">IMHO -2 Con is bad enough for any type of characters. And Dex is often the least important stats for fighter types as there is maximum bonus to AC thing.IMHO, Half-Orc has better set of abilities. High strength is good for barbarian types. And Half-Orc has no penalty on any of the important abilities for a Barbarian type. So at least, a Half-Orc can be a really good Barbarian.On the other hand. A wood elf is,As a Bard .... I don' know. A bard is better to have all the stats at above average level.As a Barbarian ..... High strength and High dex is good. But con penalty?As a Cleric .... Don't need Dex bonus. -2 Con is bad.As a Fighter ..... High strength is good but high dex is not so important. ANd con penalty.As a Monk .... Same as Ranger.As a Ranger .... High strength and High Dex is excellent. But low int will remove a skill point and thus not so good for a skill-defendant class. And low con is still bad.As a Rogue .... High Dex is good. But high Str is not so important. Low Int is really bad. Low Con is still no good, too.As a Wizard/Sorcerer .... Low con is more problematic for those classes.I think, when thinking about a race, we should better determine it's ability scores as a set. Just totalling bonuses and penalties is a nonsense.</blockquote>