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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 1613167" data-attributes="member: 115">Well, when my friends finally convince me to go to the gay bar with them, I know what my moniker will be.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />   Well, they are only guidelines, and I subscribe to the Jungian-Adler school of how maturity works... that is, there are stages that are generally not defined by your age, though there are certain trends. I don't think it's necessarily that they won't commit, because they certainly do... my first gf was only nineteen when she started going out with me, and we were together for three years.  It's just that when they're nineteen, most people aren't thinking about paying for college for their kids.  Chances are they're not really thinking about marriage and everything that entails in any serious manner.  It's that long-term commitment that somewhere along the line you become able to think about and accept that I don't think people who are nineteen are able to face. On the other hand, there are certainly thirty-somethings who "live for the moment".  Though I would dare say my definition and yours differ, in that I think that people can have fun, be spontaneous, go wild and cut loose and still keep the future in mind.  To me at least, "living for the moment" is more of a perversion of a sound psychological practice (living in the present) as an excuse to shirk responsibilities. But now we're completely off topic.  This isn't helping Andrew at all, sorry!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />   As long as it's fun, I'm happy for him.  Go Andrew! I just tend to take the more cynical approach, mostly because I've had several friends burned recently because they thought things would work out long-term, and gotten pretty down because they didn't live up to expectations.</blockquote>

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