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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4540576" data-attributes="member: 1054">When the option was to learn from the mistakes in 3e and provide BETTER rules for non-standard races? Yes.You've obviously never played an SS campaign. The monster races are horribly UNDERpowered for their ECL. Our Ogre Mage didn't get iteratives until he was about 12th level, and he was our main healing sponge because his hit dice sucked. My raven humanoid Blood Magus had more hit points than him!Pretty much everyone I know plays "what's fun". I honestly feel the folks who haunt the char op boards don't actually PLAY, they just make builds. Most of the stuff I see there is based on ignoring "What would make this character fun/interesting/unique?" and instead embraces "How can I squeeze one more +1 out of this?", resulting in characters who make absolutely no sense. But that's another thread.ECL may have been a clumsy solution, and worked better for non-caster classes, but at least provided a means by which non-standard races could introduced into the campaign and "feel" proper. The only way I can see it working in 4e is if you had "multiclass races" -- you would spend a feat (your only one, at first level) to gain a "racial class", and then you could buy additional "racial powers" with more feats.By basically capping races at Medium, I think a lot of possibilities are cut off. I'm pretty sure the 4e system is not so delicate and fragile that some solution could not be found. As it is, I get the impression from 4e fans that 4e is a precious flower of spun glass, and you musn't push it at all, lest the perfect and sensitive 'balance' be shattered for all time. If a system can't take a couple of good hard kicks, what good is it?</blockquote>

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