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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 4661593" data-attributes="member: 29252">... apparently, your players aren't particularly grand at optimization.For instance, the Sorcerer-14/Arcane Archer-6 is only going to have a BAB of +13 and cast as a Sorcerer-14.  Arcane Archer doesn't really grant anything overly useful past level 2 (unless you're playing Gestalt or some such, and can put other stuff on the other side).  Even at that, what you're gaining from Arcane Archer isn't worth what you're losing in terms of spells known.  If he were to go with, say, a Sorcerer-13/Abjurant Champion-5/Arcane Archer-2, he'd have a BAB of +13 (exactly the same), but would cast as a Sorcerer-18 (9th level spells).  It's thematically similar, but much more mechanically viable.  Mind you, in general, something even better would be a Sorcerer-5/Mage of the Arcane Order-10/Abjurant Champion-5 (BAB of +12, Sorcerer caster level of 20), but that's just my preferences for full casters showing through, and my fondness for the Mage of the Arcane Order PrC.  For a Melee/Spell Casting class, try a Cleric-20 (Druid-20 is also good, but requires an alignment of NG or LN in a game designed for an LG).  Seriously - no PrC's needed.  +15 BAB, with spells to compensate for the lost attack bonus.  Full casting, and such spells as Barkskin, Magic Vestments, Greater Magic Fang, and Greater Magic Weapon to save on cash for equipment.</blockquote>