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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8080489" data-attributes="member: 72555">I'm going to suggest the same rotation I've suggested to other people.In general, 5e classes and subclasses are either how you combat or why you combat.&nbsp; Classes where both the class and subclass are how you combat tend to be a bit hollow (the Fighter is an example of this).Warlord is a how you combat.&nbsp; If you rotate subclasses from being clones of 4e to being why you warlord I suspect you'll get a lot more inspiration for &quot;utility&quot; (ie, non-combat) mechanics.Grizzled SergentAspiring RulerTrue BelieverAcademic StrategistYou can remap those back to your &quot;Presence&quot;s, but they should also inspire features that aren't &quot;more combat tweaks&quot; or &quot;combat support&quot; for the PC to get access to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8080489, member: 72555"] I'm going to suggest the same rotation I've suggested to other people. In general, 5e classes and subclasses are either [B]how you combat[/B] or [B]why you combat[/B]. Classes where both the class and subclass are [B]how you combat[/B] tend to be a bit hollow (the Fighter is an example of this). Warlord is a [B]how you combat[/B]. If you rotate subclasses from being clones of 4e to being [B]why you warlord[/B] I suspect you'll get a lot more inspiration for "utility" (ie, non-combat) mechanics. Grizzled Sergent Aspiring Ruler True Believer Academic Strategist You can remap those [B]back[/B] to your "[B]Presence[/B]"s, but they should also inspire features that aren't "more combat tweaks" or "combat support" for the PC to get access to. [/QUOTE]

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