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Message: <blockquote data-quote="1Mac" data-source="post: 5078763" data-attributes="member: 48998">It's funny, but even the darker, crueler fantasy I've read (Glen Cook and Joe Abercrombie are whom I'm thinking of, among others), there is an implied moral order, or at least the desire for one. "It sucks that things are so sucky," seems to be the mode of the more sympathetic characters. For example, early in The Black Company saga, Croaker is watching some whales breech and reflects on the beauty of the scene, lamenting that man always seems to screw up the order the whales represent. Maybe Croaker believes that man is incompatible with the idea of a better world, but he believes in the idea, or there would be nothing there for man to ruin.I'm reminded (speaking of Narnia) of C. S. Lewis, who wrote something to the effect that if we were truly depraved, we would have no concept of depravity.</blockquote>