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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8125967" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>Fair enough. I don't mind bullet points. It is dealing with a bunch of invdividual quotes that bothers me. Just one point it has been a while since I made the post so I may be hazy on some of my initial reasons.</p><p></p><p>1. I was simply pointing out that Socrates saying that is grounded in something real: an advance in media tech, like the development of writing and books, is going to change how humans do things like memorize. And any change is going to have good and bad. I am not a luddite by any means, I just think you have to be honest about the upsides and downsides, so we understand how these things impact us. I think this is particularly relevant today because we are living through such a development (with the internet and social media) and we are actively deciding how those things are going to be a part of our lives</p><p></p><p>2. But change matters. Like I said you have seen that with every advance in communication technology. To be clear, I support all those changes, but each change did seem to produce a period of some social upheaval (which is just one negative) and a change in how we think about the world.</p><p></p><p>3. Again, this is a point where unless you have some actual fact to point to, what i was always taught is the shift to writing meant we stopped memorizing large volumes of material in our head orally. And like I said this is something many of us saw in miniature ourselves with the shift to smart phones (where you no longer memorized phone numbers). Maybe that is just a shift in priority I suppose, but the end result is I find it a lot harder to remember high volumes of content because I know I can just look them up</p><p></p><p>4. Because this is a living discussion and I wasn't limiting it to only dealing with the OPs argument but taking the topic into expanded territory. I think if you are going to discuss the impact of media on creativity, you have to talk about the impact of the internet and social media.</p><p></p><p>5. I didn't claim modern media is curtailing creativity. I don't think it is that simple. What I said was social media is homogenizing and narrowing creativity IMO. And I probably should have added the qualifier "in many ways" because obviously there are places where creativity and experimentation are flourishing. And where I specifically think it has this impact is the way social media puts pressure on artist, through criticism and social pressure. If you are putting out art of any kind, and it exists in the online space, you are getting a level of hypercriticism we haven't experienced before, and this criticism isn't always an accurate reflection of what most people might think (sometimes it is just the loudest people). I think that level of critique can be paralyzing. And I think when you add in some of the social pressures that have arisen around issues of sensitivity, that only adds to it. That said, as I have repeated many times, I am not a luddite. I think overall the internet is good. And I don't think we need to clamp down on it or anything like that. But I do think we need to approach it with the right frame of mind so it doesn't control us, and it doesn't suck the life and fun out of the creative process (something I have certainly experienced firsthand with game design). Also this isn't a 'criticism of criticism'. Critiques can be very helpful and good. But this is a new medium and we are still grappling with what it means. Like I said when propaganda posters first hit, we were more at their mercy. But over time we became more familiar with the purpose, rhetoric and language of propaganda posters. Now the internet is a new kind of medium like that and sometimes we allow it to have that kind of impact on us, when we should probably be more wary and pay closer attention to the rhetoric of twitter, the rhetoric of face book, and even the rhetoric of forums like this. Edit: I used the word stifling, and I said that for myself: I find the impact of social media has been stifling my creativity. But I also sense and believe it is stifling the creativity of others as well (however I think this is part of the learning curve and I think being aware of it means we can surmount it)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8125967, member: 85555"] Fair enough. I don't mind bullet points. It is dealing with a bunch of invdividual quotes that bothers me. Just one point it has been a while since I made the post so I may be hazy on some of my initial reasons. 1. I was simply pointing out that Socrates saying that is grounded in something real: an advance in media tech, like the development of writing and books, is going to change how humans do things like memorize. And any change is going to have good and bad. I am not a luddite by any means, I just think you have to be honest about the upsides and downsides, so we understand how these things impact us. I think this is particularly relevant today because we are living through such a development (with the internet and social media) and we are actively deciding how those things are going to be a part of our lives 2. But change matters. Like I said you have seen that with every advance in communication technology. To be clear, I support all those changes, but each change did seem to produce a period of some social upheaval (which is just one negative) and a change in how we think about the world. 3. Again, this is a point where unless you have some actual fact to point to, what i was always taught is the shift to writing meant we stopped memorizing large volumes of material in our head orally. And like I said this is something many of us saw in miniature ourselves with the shift to smart phones (where you no longer memorized phone numbers). Maybe that is just a shift in priority I suppose, but the end result is I find it a lot harder to remember high volumes of content because I know I can just look them up 4. Because this is a living discussion and I wasn't limiting it to only dealing with the OPs argument but taking the topic into expanded territory. I think if you are going to discuss the impact of media on creativity, you have to talk about the impact of the internet and social media. 5. I didn't claim modern media is curtailing creativity. I don't think it is that simple. What I said was social media is homogenizing and narrowing creativity IMO. And I probably should have added the qualifier "in many ways" because obviously there are places where creativity and experimentation are flourishing. And where I specifically think it has this impact is the way social media puts pressure on artist, through criticism and social pressure. If you are putting out art of any kind, and it exists in the online space, you are getting a level of hypercriticism we haven't experienced before, and this criticism isn't always an accurate reflection of what most people might think (sometimes it is just the loudest people). I think that level of critique can be paralyzing. And I think when you add in some of the social pressures that have arisen around issues of sensitivity, that only adds to it. That said, as I have repeated many times, I am not a luddite. I think overall the internet is good. And I don't think we need to clamp down on it or anything like that. But I do think we need to approach it with the right frame of mind so it doesn't control us, and it doesn't suck the life and fun out of the creative process (something I have certainly experienced firsthand with game design). Also this isn't a 'criticism of criticism'. Critiques can be very helpful and good. But this is a new medium and we are still grappling with what it means. Like I said when propaganda posters first hit, we were more at their mercy. But over time we became more familiar with the purpose, rhetoric and language of propaganda posters. Now the internet is a new kind of medium like that and sometimes we allow it to have that kind of impact on us, when we should probably be more wary and pay closer attention to the rhetoric of twitter, the rhetoric of face book, and even the rhetoric of forums like this. Edit: I used the word stifling, and I said that for myself: I find the impact of social media has been stifling my creativity. But I also sense and believe it is stifling the creativity of others as well (however I think this is part of the learning curve and I think being aware of it means we can surmount it) [/QUOTE]
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