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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8128150" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>1) Backlash is way more common now, more easily started and is much more inescapable. I don't think anyone looking at how the internet has shaped modern culture, and who has lived through the transition to our present age of social media, can honestly look at the internet and say this isn't the case. If you can't even see this as a starting point in the conversation, our assumptions are so vastly apart, I don't think they can be bridged.</p><p></p><p>2) This was someone else's post</p><p></p><p>3) No, I am saying overwhelming fear of criticism and of backlash, which I think social media does produce, makes people reluctant to take creative chances. And this stifles creativity. And that there is a clear difference in scope, intensity, avoidably of internet based criticism. It can be managed. But if you don't manage it, it will impact your creativity negatively</p><p></p><p>4) If you don't know what sameness means here, I really don't know what to tell you. I think it is obvious, and I genuinely don't understand why we'd be debating the meaning of pretty basic words in the conversation</p><p></p><p>5) This point seems rather disingenuous to me. It is a whole different medium, that connects everybody all the time. It is as different to previous forms of feedback as face to face criticism is different from widely disseminated printed criticism. Here the degree matters and it shapes the nature of the feedback as well</p><p></p><p>6) I am not going to break each and every one of these things down for you. We all know how people are behaving more cruel over the internet (I am sure most people here have had the experience of being talked to in ways people just wouldn't do face to face, or even in letters). The hypercriticism is obvious too and been widely discussed. If you reject this point, you are just not living in reality. Sorry</p><p></p><p>7) I am saying that people can get away with abuse by careful phrasing, often employing moral or political language. When you identify a person as a viable target because of some claim that they've morally transgressed, it is easier to dehumanize them. You see this ALL THE TIME on the internet. It isn't just 'this person is wrong and I disagree with them', it is 'this person is bad and I want them to stop existing'.----and to be clear: this isn't just the product of one viewpoint, it exists all over the internet across numerous ideologies, political positions, and moral positions. There is an intensity to disagreement on the internet, I simply do not encounter as often in other mediums. </p><p></p><p>I think most of what I am saying is pretty obviously true to most people. And I am not even saying social media and the internet are all bad for creativity (I pointed out many ways they are good). I am just observing, there are ways the internet can stifle creativity and creators really need to manage how they handle feedback online once it starts impacting their creativity. </p><p></p><p>Also this is my last response to you because of this comment:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Happy to have conversations. With all due respect, this characterizations of my posts is not what I am doing at all. Happy to disagree. But not going to serve as you or another poster's whipping post, or allow people to just put words in my mouth or project things onto what I say. I feel I have been most polite in this conversation despite receiving a lot of snark and attacks. I definitely don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, nor do I 'dodge' the consequences of people disagreeing. I always try to very clearly and honestly give my opinion on a topic. I just am not going to serve as a punching bag and I am not going to answer lines of question that seem bad faith.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8128150, member: 85555"] 1) Backlash is way more common now, more easily started and is much more inescapable. I don't think anyone looking at how the internet has shaped modern culture, and who has lived through the transition to our present age of social media, can honestly look at the internet and say this isn't the case. If you can't even see this as a starting point in the conversation, our assumptions are so vastly apart, I don't think they can be bridged. 2) This was someone else's post 3) No, I am saying overwhelming fear of criticism and of backlash, which I think social media does produce, makes people reluctant to take creative chances. And this stifles creativity. And that there is a clear difference in scope, intensity, avoidably of internet based criticism. It can be managed. But if you don't manage it, it will impact your creativity negatively 4) If you don't know what sameness means here, I really don't know what to tell you. I think it is obvious, and I genuinely don't understand why we'd be debating the meaning of pretty basic words in the conversation 5) This point seems rather disingenuous to me. It is a whole different medium, that connects everybody all the time. It is as different to previous forms of feedback as face to face criticism is different from widely disseminated printed criticism. Here the degree matters and it shapes the nature of the feedback as well 6) I am not going to break each and every one of these things down for you. We all know how people are behaving more cruel over the internet (I am sure most people here have had the experience of being talked to in ways people just wouldn't do face to face, or even in letters). The hypercriticism is obvious too and been widely discussed. If you reject this point, you are just not living in reality. Sorry 7) I am saying that people can get away with abuse by careful phrasing, often employing moral or political language. When you identify a person as a viable target because of some claim that they've morally transgressed, it is easier to dehumanize them. You see this ALL THE TIME on the internet. It isn't just 'this person is wrong and I disagree with them', it is 'this person is bad and I want them to stop existing'.----and to be clear: this isn't just the product of one viewpoint, it exists all over the internet across numerous ideologies, political positions, and moral positions. There is an intensity to disagreement on the internet, I simply do not encounter as often in other mediums. I think most of what I am saying is pretty obviously true to most people. And I am not even saying social media and the internet are all bad for creativity (I pointed out many ways they are good). I am just observing, there are ways the internet can stifle creativity and creators really need to manage how they handle feedback online once it starts impacting their creativity. Also this is my last response to you because of this comment: Happy to have conversations. With all due respect, this characterizations of my posts is not what I am doing at all. Happy to disagree. But not going to serve as you or another poster's whipping post, or allow people to just put words in my mouth or project things onto what I say. I feel I have been most polite in this conversation despite receiving a lot of snark and attacks. I definitely don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, nor do I 'dodge' the consequences of people disagreeing. I always try to very clearly and honestly give my opinion on a topic. I just am not going to serve as a punching bag and I am not going to answer lines of question that seem bad faith. [/QUOTE]
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