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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StarFyre" data-source="post: 3983878" data-attributes="member: 26055">responseLackhand...And that's why I say for some players or specifically my group...All the players/DM's I have played with ENJOY those types of challenges. Finding ways to survive in the worst possible places.However, i see your point with teh elemental plane of fire, where 1 thing can protect you from all challenges of the plane...but from what I remember of negative energy plane, there are tons of things there that cause issues. Some of which are quite harsh, others become more environmental challenges.My party would try to find ways to protect from the former, and then intelligently deal with the latter. (referring to the negative energy plane)Then again, my players are messed....they wanted to risk insanity, to roleplay and fight IN the Far Realm!!!!!!!  I think also some of my hatred for aspects of the new cosmology is due to the customizations I have for my universe of D&D..that uses aspects of the great wheel, will be adding stuff from 4E BUT has a whole bunch of 'stuff' added/modified.  Much of those changes make some of the issues, not as big a deal or make them easier to deal with for parties.But then that gets into me house ruling.YOu know what....maybe, due to all the houserules we have, we havent' noticed many of the 'unfun' areas of 2e/3.X, and never realized what other people are talking about..... heheheheADDITION:  I feel very stupid right now. Thinking more, I think many of the complaints player have (not in all respects, but many) we have house ruled, while keeping the general flavour of planescape as we liked it, so we never ran into many of the issues as others.  Damnit! all my arguments were due to our over excessive house ruling...as opposed to intelligent arguments! *sigh*  hehe atleast i know our game will be fine ongoing <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Sanjay</blockquote>

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