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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Qwillion" data-source="post: 2338578" data-attributes="member: 14641">CR is funny it only works in a empty space.Do they know about Tyrus? (one of the big problems with WLD is there is not disemination of information guidelines for a DM to follow). Second how much cold damage can the party dish out, and does it know it needs to dish out the cold damage? what is the precentage chance fo your party's primary spellcasters overcoming the dragon's SR with cold dealing spells.  The magic items the party has dramaticly effect this fight from the afforementioned ring of wishes to a party who took the time to make dragon bane weapons and if the invisible rogue can sneak attack the dragon. Just by the Math your party is not level 12 because you have 2 more players than the formula is set up for. They are considered to be level 13-14 (by the formula if they fought them selves they would be a Encounter level  17-18)  by the enworld calculator a CR 21 is a deadly encounter for this group and at CR 22 it becomes obscene. Yet remeber this is in a empty space of #, level for a party is all relative to the equpiment, available spells and tactics the party uses. Oh, your concern over the invisiblity I find unfounded. At 12th level if you enter a lair like this and you have not cast true seeing, you deserve to be jelly for the dragons toast.</blockquote>